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I always kind of identified with Blackberry (geek rabbit!) but Thlayli is probably my second runner-up for Favorite Bunny. Once he grows up and stops being a bully, anyway. And the whole sequence where he's in Efrafra hits so very many of my narrative kinks.

Brave rabbit!

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Maanneee leeeddle Pigvigs? Ya!

Where Bigwig stands in the burrow and says his chief rabbit has told him not to let anyone pass makes me cry, every time.
My copy of WD is so old and re-read it's falling apart.

There's a village on the way from my house to Manchester called Chapel-En-Le-Frith and It's my one of my ambitions to visit it one day just because of the name.

I've not thought about the Arthurian thing. I'll have to read it again now.

Re: "Dogs aren't dangerous, you fools! Come back and fight!"

Man, I would have hated to serve with Woundwort.

Re: "Dogs aren't dangerous, you fools! Come back and fight!"

....color me dumb, but despite being a classicist manque I hadn't noted all the Aeneid parallels, either, til I read about it on the Net. Hazel, the reluctant leader; the poisoned warren as the Island of the Lotos-Eaters; Efrafa as the Lavingians (sp?) they have to fight; the band of exiles searching for a home; the razing of the warren = the sack of Troy; and Fiver is, of course, Cassandra, altho he gets off rather better than she does.

I'm calmly watching most of that sail over my head. I can make out some of the details from down here though... :)

</i>Adams also supposedly said in an interview Bigwig and Woundwort were based on two paratrooper officers he knew in WWII (indeed a lot of the book, esp Bigwig in Efrafa, has a sort of WWII feel to it).</i>

That I do see. I always thought it was because my Grandad used to read it to me when I was very little and I associate him with WWII. But the book does have a sort of WWII aura.

I always felt for Blackavar, he seemed so brave.
There's a village on the way from my house to Manchester called Chapel-En-Le-Frith

Hey, I live near there, too! :)
Ooh. is it nice? I don't live near, but I pass the sign whenever I go to Manchester.
Yeah, it does. That's why the first time I read it was for a high school English class called "Myth, Tale, and Legend," in fact.

I totally need to reread it, now. But first I have to get a copy that I can actually reread without it falling to bits.
Yes. That's a perfect illustration of the courage-of-endurance thing that I love so much.

Gandalf at the bridge.

"You cannot pass."
Yes.

It's just about holding the pass.

Hey, I have an icon for that.
All this talk of Watership Down is making me well-up.

I watched 'Blood Diamond' earlier and that has a wonderful example of courage-of-endurance at the end. It's all been tears here. I'm such a wuss.

Re: Underground, the story continued.

That one and The Last Unicorn.

Waterworks, man.

Re: Underground, the story continued.

And Capt Silver coming up the trench and the way he acts afterwards. Little redemptions always get me.

It also has one of the best lines ever in book/film.

"Can you run? I think not..."
I cry when Bambi's mother dies.

it's cool.
I think that scene makes most people cry. And it's done beautifully in the film, too. :)

Re: "It's your storm, Thyali. Use it."

Meester Pigvig, e come.

Gotta love a rabbit whose chief redeeming characteristic is that he's too damned stubborn to die.

Re: you got to pick up every stitch

Funny thing that!

Re: obviously I could talk about this book forever

Yes.

The way the reality gets mythologized, and the fact all honest storytellers know: we're not telling the truth, because we can't--it's impossible--but it's our sworn duty to tell Truth nonetheless.

Re: "It's Fiver's blood, you know."

It's my nomination for the best first sentence in modern English literature.

Theme, plot, setting, character, implied in four words.
I always identified with the geek bunnies too, but ended up with Hazel in the quiz. :p

Watership Down is one of my all time favourite novels; it's the only book where I keep a record of how many times I've read it (currently standing at 318). I'm on my third copy now; the first one was lost, the second one literally fell to pieces -- I remember having to hold pages together so I could continue reading it until we found a new copy -- and the third copy is more than a little battered and bruised. I still prefer it over Tales from Watership Down, in any case.

I love how Watership Down can teach you so much about humanity, about the journey of life, and about writing (amongst other things) while being so firmly set in its own world. I can honestly say that the starting and ending sentences are my favourites in the entirety of literature, and yes, Thlayli's stand gets me every time - as does this bit:

He has been dreaming in a confused way -- something about rain and elder bloom -- when he woke to realise that there was a rabbit lying quietly beside him -- no doubt some young buck who had come to ask his advice. The sentry in the run outside should not really have let him in without asking first. Never mind, thought Hazel. He raised his head and said, "Do you want to talk to me?"

"Yes, that's what I've come for," replied the other. "You know me, don't you?"

"Yes, of course," said Hazel, hoping he would be able to remember his name in a moment. Then he saw that in the darkness of the burrow, the stranger's ears were shining with a faint, silver light. "Yes, my lord," he said. "Yes, I know you."

"You've been feeling tired," said the stranger, "but I can do something about that. I've come to ask whether you'd care to join my Owlsa. We shall be glad to have you and you'll enjoy it. If you're ready, we might go along now."
*grins* GMTA. :)
I got Pipkin.

Someone reassure me that this isn't correct?
What's wrong with Pipkin?!
:: thinks ::

You know, you are correct. (Matociquala: Nothing, now I think about it.)

Except...

and his need for encouragement became at last Hazel's only support against his own weariness.

You know, I think there have been times in my life when I've wanted to be that, but I never have, and right now, at least, I don't really want it.

Mostly, I was thrown off by the quiz's response, ("Aw, you're so cute and little, everyone just wants to give you a hug,") when I had my first reaction. But even thinking about it...for better or for worse - and there are times when it is better, and times when it is worse - I have never been the one who gets protected.

I can resonate to having the perceptions without having the cogent wit to articulate them, the inherent authority to convince without full articulation, or the brawn to dominate where I can't convince. Definitely. But not that other. Now that you make me think about it, there's nothing wrong with that other at all. Maybe my life would have been better if I had ever had the kind of weakness which births strength in others - certainly, it would have been different.
I got Pipkin too, which I thought made absolutely noooo sense, tho looks like some of the comments below are gonna make us both feel better. heh.
I reread it in Iraq. It was nice to have a good book to hand (I was reading Mary Higgins Clark collaborations, and James Patterson novels. Times were hard).


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Could have used more questions.

TK
Somehow, not surprised...
Heh.







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Got Hazel too.
hernewshoes tells me you and she (and who knows who else) have been having conversations about me.

I'm flattered, but I do wonder at what, and why.

:)

TK
Hmm.

We HAVE?

Um.

Other than "Terry, he's so cool, read his shit?"

Obviously, the brain damage has taken hold.
Rumors of fan clubs, and discussions of trusting me when backs are turned, and contention for the VP of said fan club.

Angevin2 knows of it. Marna was mentioned.

It's enough to turn a boy's head.

Or make him nervous.

TK
I was not involved in this discussion.

Sorry to disappoint....
FYI, I read a book called "The White Rabbit," about a British secret agent named F.F.E. Yeo-Thomas, who was parachuted into occupied France during WWII and eventually captured by the Nazis. He was tortured and sent to Buchenwald, but he told them nothing. Another bio of him is called "The Bravest of the Brave." "The White Rabbit" was his nickname.

No desire to crash this party, but I always wondered if Thlayli was based on Yeo-Thomas and thought this might interest you. No need to respond.
Ooo. Cool!
In case you're interested, here are some sources on Yeo-Thomas:

http://www.stephen-stratford.co.uk/yeo_thomas.htm

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/2WWyeoE.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F._F._E._Yeo-Thomas

http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/wing-commader%20yeo-thomas.htm

I can't imagine that Adams wouldn't have been aware of the story, since it was quite well known to his generation. (Hazel, btw, was based on Adams' commanding officer during the same war. That much is revealed in so many words in Adams' autobiography.)

I've lost the subthread (LiveJournal's handling of threading always drives me crazy) but I see it as much a post-war story as a world war story. The rabbits' search for a warren is humanity's search for a successful but fair form of society. Closing our eyes to danger dooms us; enslaving ourselves for the sake of peace dooms us; regimenting every moment of our lives in the name of eternal vigilance dooms us. It's the search for a middle way, perhaps a new way, of arranging our society and our relations with other societies.

And yeah, this thread makes me tear up too.






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No wonder we hit it off. *g*