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Yeah, I know, the emergency medical fund is a nice idea. And because of that, I think I shall be donating my $75.00 a year to the Haven Foundation. Because I don't think you could pay me to rejoin SFWA at this point.

I hear rumours SFWA used to be an effective trade organization, before it started worrying about how we all kept our lawns mowed and whether we were painting interior walls offensive colors. But now... well, remember the e-piracy flap? It looks like they did something about it.

The Bush administration would be proud.

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[info]csinman wrote:
Nov. 30th, 2007 02:10 am (UTC)
While I was reading Charlie Stross' post, I have to say, the text to your link was my first thought.

Wow. o_O
[info]jimhines wrote:
Nov. 30th, 2007 02:17 am (UTC)
It's very possible I'm a hopeless optimist. But as one of the folks on that advisory committee, my own thinking was that we couldn't control the individuals appointed to the copyright committee. Even if we specifically recommended against Andrew Burt coming anywhere near it, we couldn't stop someone equally damaging from taking his position down the line.

So for me, the important thing was to get policies and procedures into place that would stop any one individual from making a bloody mess of things again.

I'm depressed to see Andrew in charge of the new committee, and I think it sends a very bad message. But I'm also hopeful that this will not be "Burt's Anti-Pirate Crusade" under a new name. I could be wrong, but if they're held to the rules SFWA has adopted for the committee, it should be an improvement.

But like I said, it's possible I'm just a hopeless optimist.

Edited at 2007-11-30 02:19 am (UTC)
[info]swan_tower wrote:
Nov. 30th, 2007 03:08 am (UTC)
Stross nailed it in one: the credibility of this committee is shot from the start. Sure, maybe somebody equally damaging might have ended up in charge someday -- but that's always a possibility with everything. That doesn't mean you head it off at the pass by putting in the one person LEAST trusted to head the thing up usefully.
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[info]david_de_beer wrote:
Nov. 30th, 2007 11:40 am (UTC)
I've been going back and forth on whether to apply for membership or not, and strangely this is the thing that made me decide to do so.

It is very possible I'm hopelessly naive here, but I need to have a look at this thing from the inside, if it's possible to fathom SFWA thinking at all.
Besides, this will give me the opportunity to throw poop on Burt every chance I get and maybe tell Jerry Pournelle he's a cretin when his mouth is open and sounds are being produced.
[if he's a friend of yours, sorry, but I do not like that man].

I just don't know, and I have no confidence in the SFWA to benefit me or genre, but I am very afraid of its capability to negatively impact and hurt SF.
this is galling, intending to join for negative reasons, but if I can add one more voice to opposition these lunacies, then so be it.

but...am not ruling out the probability of my being naive.
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[info]sclerotic_rings wrote:
Nov. 30th, 2007 04:16 pm (UTC)
No offense is intended against you when I say this, but I used to hear the same logic with conventions. The argument for allowing the idiot who pressed the limits of the "Asperger's/full-blown autism" debate to run one department or another was always either "Well, he's been with the group for years, and we gave it to him so he wouldn't whine about it" or "If he didn't get it, someone worse would have." This logic, or lack thereof, is one of the reasons why I'd sooner vasectomize myself with a cheese grater than go to another Readercon, and it's going to be one of the factors that makes even more people ask "And why am I wasting money on SFWA membership?"
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[info]buymeaclue wrote:
Nov. 30th, 2007 02:38 am (UTC)
I said it at Nick's journal and I'll say it again here:

Bwahaha!
[info]matociquala wrote:
Nov. 30th, 2007 02:39 am (UTC)
lol...

We're lousy kids and we won't stay off their lawns.

Edited at 2007-11-30 02:40 am (UTC)
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[info]elizawrites wrote:
Nov. 30th, 2007 02:54 am (UTC)
It's always nice to be reminded of why I have little to no interest in ever joining SFWA.
[info]rachelmanija wrote:
Nov. 30th, 2007 02:54 am (UTC)
Could SFWA possibly get more dysfunctional? This is ludicrous.
[info]matociquala wrote:
Nov. 30th, 2007 03:01 am (UTC)
let me think...

frighteningly, I suspect they probably could.
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[info]arielstarshadow wrote:
Nov. 30th, 2007 03:07 am (UTC)
Wait and see...wait and see...
[info]nihilistic_kid wrote:
Nov. 30th, 2007 04:59 am (UTC)
You know, even if you hit the bottom of the barrel, you can always lift up the barrel and see what squirms beneath.
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[info]onalark wrote:
Nov. 30th, 2007 06:18 am (UTC)
Good volunteers are terribly hard to find. Because usually, if you're good, you can make a living at it.

Bad volunteers, on the other hand, are a dime a dozen.

After sixteen years of membership, I left SFWA in September for practical reasons completely unrelated to all this. Aaaand immediately after I made that decision "all this" occurred. So...y'know, I will say this about Capobianco and Burt: they made me feel much better about my decision.
[info]ronin_kakuhito wrote:
Nov. 30th, 2007 05:58 pm (UTC)
Oh dear god, the answer to that question is always a resounding "yes."
[info]jonquil wrote:
Nov. 30th, 2007 03:34 am (UTC)
To the Wankshelter, Batman!
[info]veejane wrote:
Nov. 30th, 2007 05:40 am (UTC)
I was going to say. It takes a lot for SFF to make Fandom Wank (assault; ninjas; financial hijinks), much moreso than any ordinary mediafannish nonsense. But Andrew Burt has already been wanked once.

I believe it says right here in the intarwebs bylaws that once you've been wanked twice, you must resign from the internet, never to return (except as your sockpuppet).
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[info]timakers wrote:
Nov. 30th, 2007 03:39 am (UTC)
There was a time in my life when joining SFWA was a *goal* of mine. And now that I could, I won't. It's a silly organization, full of silly people. Ta.
[info]jimhines wrote:
Nov. 30th, 2007 12:44 pm (UTC)
You got a problem with silliness, fella?
[info]neutronjockey wrote:
Nov. 30th, 2007 04:47 am (UTC)
I remember when I first sat down and was balancing the books for Mister and Missus --- when I came across their medical insurance (both freelancers mind you) and ran into Missus's Office and was like, "YOU PAY WHAT FOR HEALTH INSURANCE!?"
Fricken mind numbing.
[info]matociquala wrote:
Nov. 30th, 2007 04:49 am (UTC)
I'm hoping somebody with insurance will marry me out of pity.
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[info]alfreda89 wrote:
Nov. 30th, 2007 07:12 am (UTC)
**Sigh**
And just like the current situation, the idea of impeaching still another sitting president...sort of implies we have some major overhauling to do.

Maybe we should start a new group, without all that History weighing it down. I know it's easier to fix old things, usually -- and getting the non-profit status would be a b&**h. But sometimes I wonder....
[info]antonia_tiger wrote:
Nov. 30th, 2007 08:24 am (UTC)
Re: **Sigh**
May I suggest a formal letter to the SFWA (if you're a member) refusing permission for them to carry out copyright enforcement on your behalf.

OK, people vary in how aggressively they want to chase infringements. There's an argument that one key distinction is between those who make money out of an author's work, and those who don't. You might be happy to give the SFWA permission.

Either way, make it explicit.

[info]la_marquise_de_ wrote:
Nov. 30th, 2007 11:34 am (UTC)
I'm a new pro -- novel signed to Daw, not out yet. I've been wondering about joining Sfwa, but, being British and resident in the UK, hadn't got around to it. Serious question: should I bother? Realistically, I'd be doing it for social reasons mainly (I'm not regular at worldcons).
[info]autopope wrote:
Nov. 30th, 2007 11:54 am (UTC)
SFWA still does two good things:

1. There's the emergency medical fund. Does not apply to me or thee, as we're Brits (and don't need it).

2. There's Griefcom, which does sterling service in publisher/author contractual disagreements (usually: publisher buys work, publisher promises to pay author, money does not show up, author says "where is my money?", publisher says "I can't hear you LA LA LA" ... at which point, it's time for Griefcom).

You have an agent, right? And you're dealing with a reputable publisher. So you shouldn't need Griefcom, unless your agent decides to trouser your royalties and do a runner, in which case Griefcom probably won't be much use to you (as a Brit).

If you want the social thing, then ... let me think about it. That's one good thing that a rival organization could do, on the cheap.
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[info]supergee wrote:
Nov. 30th, 2007 11:34 am (UTC)
One can only assume that Andrew Burt has a picture of someone in a compromising position with a chicken.
[info]matociquala wrote:
Nov. 30th, 2007 12:14 pm (UTC)
It was me.

And it was a goat.
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[info]xiphias wrote:
Nov. 30th, 2007 01:30 pm (UTC)
I wonder about the demographics of SFWA. Everyone who I think of as an up-and-coming author, the current through next generations of SF authors, are somewhere between ambivalent about their SFWA memberships, and hostile to the idea of ever becoming a member.

I assume that there are actively-writing SF authors who are enthusiastic members of SFWA, but I don't know any off the top of my head.

This seems to bode ill for the future of SFWA.
[info]pnh wrote:
Nov. 30th, 2007 03:22 pm (UTC)
You think?
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[info]sclerotic_rings wrote:
Nov. 30th, 2007 03:39 pm (UTC)
I swear, letting Andrew Burt run anything in SFWA is like hiring Jeffrey Dahmer to run a culinary school. It's a good thing I quit writing, because I no longer have to write about how incompetently operated the organization is. So long as they can keep running that Jim Van Pelt wankfest on the number of editors telling little white lies about the value of putting "Member, SFWA" on manuscripts, I'm sure the ever-decreasing membership will continue to masturbate furiously over how they're overseeing "the literature of the future".

Andy, Andy, Andy: a little bit of advice. Go work for the Libertarian Party. You can't cause any more damage over there, and you'll probably be working with the same chickenfuckers you worked with at SFWA.
[info]matociquala wrote:
Nov. 30th, 2007 03:51 pm (UTC)
I'm trying to stop laughing long enough to reprimand you for calling SFWA chickenfuckers, just so you know.

Standards of politeness, man.

*recorpses*
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[info]jnik wrote:
Nov. 30th, 2007 04:11 pm (UTC)
Has anyone pursued a perjury case against SFWA yet? I haven't found any in some googling...
[info]jonquil wrote:
Nov. 30th, 2007 05:28 pm (UTC)
Jaw: meet basement floor
Andrew Burt leaps into action on the committee's recomemendations:

What should we do about scribd?
[info]matociquala wrote:
Nov. 30th, 2007 05:38 pm (UTC)
Re: Jaw: meet basement floor
*passes the popcorn*
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