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I did not go to school today...

  • Jun. 11th, 2008 at 10:59 AM
twain & tesla
I slept rather than running this morning. The heat broke last night, and while it is still humid and close, it's no longer sweltering. And so I slept like a sleeping thing, on top of the covers with a fan turned on, in my own bed, for approximately ten and a half hours. And I don't feel the least little bit bad about it either, because in any case, there will be climbing tonight. And my everything hurts so much less than it did when I went to bed, it's incredible. Sometimes, mature wisdom is about knowing when to stop trying so damned hard and get some rest.

I was talking with another friend last night about the single worst stage of trying to break into print. It's the "there's nothing wrong with this story but I'm not going to buy it" stage. (Actual words (or a paraphrase thereof) from an actual rejection letter written by [info]ellen_datlow to me, circa 2004.) It's the stage where you're competent, but you haven't yet found your voice. The snap isn't quite there, the pop, the narrative drive. It's the garage-band stage.

I read something somewhere that opined that the difference between garage bands and bands that break out is not musical competence, but having found their own sound. I've listened to this happen to a couple of friends' bands, and it's true, I think.

It also applies to writers. You get stuck at that stage because you are trying to find the things that will lift you our of competence and into the next stage. And I can tell you what those things are.

One is confidence (hard, in a business where one faces constant rejection.) Confidence in the story you're telling. Confidence in your ability to tell it. That confidence is what gives a narrative drive, allows you to stop hemming and hawing and say what you mean rather than talking around it.

Another is voice. Sounding like yourself, the rhythm and swing of your rhetoric, the unique chord progressions that make this identifiably your song and not something anybody could have written.

And the interesting thing there is that that personalization--which is what's going to make people love your work--is the same thing that's going to make some people hate it. Strong opinions are what you're after. And some of those strong opinions are going to be negative.

And there's experience and technique and craft, of course, but those are all part of the competence. And mere competence isn't enough. You have to have that something extra.

This ties into a discussion I had with [info]jaylake today, about how it took me twenty years to sell a story to Asimov's. "Tideline" is the first story I ever sold there, and I started submitting in roughly 1987 (juvenilia typed on a sticky old Royal typewriter). Sheila Williams bought "Tideline" in late 2006, if I remember correctly.

This came up because Jay was congratulating me on the story's Sturgeon nomination and I allowed as how most of my short work went entirely under the radar before this. The magic of a digest publication: say what you will about the death of the SFF magazine market, but the Big Three get read by the people who nominate. "Tideline" is also my first Hugo nomination, it's a Locus Award finalist, it's being reprinted in the Gardner Dozois Year's Best Science Fiction and at Escape Pod, and it was the winner of the Asimov's Reader's Choice Award for 2007.

(Which reminds me, I need to update my bibliography. Except I think I will wait until award season is over. Just in case, to avoid irritating the Web Ghoul uneccesarily. I also need to add the Sidewise nomination for "Lumiere.")

Thing is, I'm not sure "Tideline" is my best short story, though I do think it's a very good one.** But it is the one that got digest publication, and as such, it's the one that got noticed.

**Currently, my favorites are "Shoggoths in Bloom" and "Sonny Liston Takes The Fall," with "Love Among the Talus" and "Sounding" also ranking high, though you all seem to like "Orm the Beautiful" an awful lot. Incidentally, you can read these, except the first two, here. Shoggoths is in the March Asimov's this year (The teaser text is online here), and Sonny Liston is currently available in The Del Rey Book of Science Fiction and Fantasy.



There's an interesting discussion of who the Hot New Thing in SFF might be going on around the blogosphere. It started at SF Signal's Mind Meld and progressed to Vector's Torque Control. You can vote over at [info]instant_fanzine.

Comments

[info]timakers wrote:
Jun. 11th, 2008 02:55 pm (UTC)
I got those letters from Ellen, too, back in her SciFiction days. That was the first time I thought to myself "You know, I really am going to be able to sell one of these stories to this editor someday." Then SciFi went away, and I was left floundering until I got hooked into Interzone.

[info]tithenai wrote:
Jun. 11th, 2008 03:08 pm (UTC)
That garage-band metaphor rocks (if you'll pardon the pun). Thanks for posting this.
[info]seanmmurphy wrote:
Jun. 11th, 2008 03:14 pm (UTC)
You know, Bear, thank you. Because narrative voice is exactly what I'm struggling with, and it's so frustrating to know that they're good stories, and that at the same time they don't stretch into great yet--and know that until they do, they won't get picked up. Learning how to make that jump is hard. From where I am, it seems like learning how to write insane while still making sense.
[info]tchernabyelo wrote:
Jun. 11th, 2008 03:15 pm (UTC)
Interesting. I've obviously given some thought as to what "breakthrough" might mean for me, as a writer, and the answer frankly keeps moving. Some of the things I've already done, I would have regarded five years ago as almost-unattainable dreams, others would have been meaningless (I'm very poorly-read in genre, and have shared TOCs with people I hadn't heard of, to discover thereafter they are well-known and successful). There probably isn't any single berakthrough piont anyway (unless you're one of those whose first novel, apparently out of nowhere, sells up a storm - Scott Lynch springs to mind).

Having a distinctive voice, and confidence in it... interesting. I have some distinctive quirks in my writing, which some editors seem to like, and others definitely don't, and I need to work through the balance between keeping my style and appealing to editors. I want to have a distinctive voice, probably because most of the authors I re-read and love best are precisely that style of author (actual voices vary, but all my faves of old are distinctive, from Simak's gentle homeliness to Zelazny's bravura poetry).


The love-hate thing is definietly a good point - looking at Clarkesworld, for example, I'm damn sure that Nick is trying to pick stories that will evince that kind of reaction. He doesn't want the "that was quite nice" review; he wants either "fantastic!" or "yeugh!" (and he succeeds; I'm not by nature prone to extremes of reaction, but Clarkesworld pushes me more in that direction than anything else I read).
[info]tchernabyelo wrote:
Jun. 11th, 2008 04:30 pm (UTC)
Um, to clarify, since on re-reading this looks ambiguous: that means I have read stories at Clarkesworld that have been yeuch, but also stories that have been fantastic.

And some, of course, that still fall in between.
[info]treize64 wrote:
Jun. 11th, 2008 03:49 pm (UTC)
From one firmly in the garage band stage
Regarding "Tideline," I had the exact same feeling when I made my first sale (April 2008, still giddy). It wasn't nearly my best story (maybe when I wrote it four years ago; maybe), but it was the one that got print.

Funny world.

BTDubs, this post is magic.
[info]cathschaffstump wrote:
Jun. 11th, 2008 03:57 pm (UTC)
Thanks for writing this. It's something I really needed to read, given that rejections illustrate I'm very much in the stage you're talking about.

I'm beginning to see the lights around the block, and through the cracks, the voice I'm chipping through to.

Almost, then, at the ah hah moment.

Catherine
[info]jimvanpelt wrote:
Jun. 11th, 2008 03:59 pm (UTC)
Good post. I think I was 17 years of futility with Asimov's before once got in (1984-2001).
[info]biomekanic wrote:
Jun. 11th, 2008 04:09 pm (UTC)
I'll just add good post.

And I really liked Shoggoths In Bloom.
[info]slimequeen wrote:
Jun. 11th, 2008 04:32 pm (UTC)
Even if you don't consider "Tideline" to be your best story, I found it quite moving.
[info]desperance wrote:
Jun. 11th, 2008 04:48 pm (UTC)
It's the "there's nothing wrong with this story but I'm not going to buy it" stage. ... It's the stage where you're competent, but you haven't yet found your voice.

'Course, you can still get that exact same response at any stage. If there's one thing I do have, it's a voice; and a story I eventually sold to Postscripts magazine with cheers and huzzahs elicited this exact reaction, almost word for word, from both GVG at F&SF and SMcC at RoF before PC at PS pounced on it (and if I were feeling just a tad more camp I'd have used the @ symbol in that little run of acronyms: but no).
[info]jemck wrote:
Jun. 11th, 2008 04:50 pm (UTC)
As one of my most useful rejection letters form an agent said: "there's nothing to distinguish this from the six other competent fantasy novels that have crossed my desk this week."

Reading really made me set my mind to making the next book distinctive. That was the one that got published.
[info]remus_shepherd wrote:
Jun. 11th, 2008 05:03 pm (UTC)
You've heard my problems with Ellen and those letters, Bear. It's one thing to say, "I want you to find your voice", and another thing to say, "I want your voice to be *this*", which is what Ellen did to me.

I wonder how many writers give up at the 'competent but unpublishable' stage. It's the most difficult stage to break through, as there is no solid advice for getting out of it. And it's the point at which writers begin to think, "Well, they must not like *me*." That's the poison that, if it takes hold, will drive a writer away from the publishing world for good.

Bloody shame, this system we have.
[info]ellen_datlow wrote:
Jun. 11th, 2008 11:20 pm (UTC)
Hi Remus,
Don't know if this is your real name or not but if it is I have to admit I don't recall ever reading a submission from you. Sorry that my reaction to your work wasn't helpful. Rejections aren't always meant to be. If something doesn't work for the editor it just doesn't work. I usually just say that unless I have something constructive to say ;-).

[info]kristine_smith wrote:
Jun. 11th, 2008 05:05 pm (UTC)
Congrats on all the noms!
[info]anachred wrote:
Jun. 11th, 2008 05:09 pm (UTC)
>And the interesting thing there is that that personalization--which is what's going to make people love your work--is the same thing that's going to make some people hate it. Strong opinions are what you're after. And some of those strong opinions are going to be negative.<

Ah-hah! I think I might have recently made a step in the right direction. ^_^;
[info]jaybushman wrote:
Jun. 11th, 2008 05:26 pm (UTC)
Here in La-La Land, most of the screenwriting feedback I get -- from producers, execs, other writers, etc. -- is aimed at erasing voice from the work. Not that it's intentional, but everything operates from a fear that somebody might not instantly get it. I hope it's not as bad in the print world.

Does anyone sell shirts that read "Corporate Storytelling Still Sucks"?
[info]kmarkhoover wrote:
Jun. 11th, 2008 05:52 pm (UTC)
Thanks for posting this. :)
[info]karenthology wrote:
Jun. 11th, 2008 06:15 pm (UTC)
... seeing as my office *is* technically the garage (or used to be), this made me grin.
[info]stwish wrote:
Jun. 11th, 2008 06:43 pm (UTC)
Re; Sleep. I dont think people heal while they are awake.

Re; Writing. I think that if i could have written, and wanted to write, in 1972 like i do now, i could have sold stuff.. Now? Not. Too old, too male and too "voicey"

Wanna buy a hot rod?
[info]matociquala wrote:
Jun. 11th, 2008 06:49 pm (UTC)
who can afford the gas?
[info]stwish wrote:
Jun. 11th, 2008 09:57 pm (UTC)
Cheap small efficient hot rod
[info]britmandelo wrote:
Jun. 11th, 2008 06:50 pm (UTC)
There's one step above that. The one where you've gotten some nice short stories sold, but then you try to get an agent for a book.

So far I've defined this step-above as "wow, I love your writing, but your main character is too much of a bastard."

Seriously. Three times I have gotten this response to manuscript requests from agents. I'm baffled as to how I'm supposed to fix that, too. I happen to like my main character, and he's supposed to be a bit of a bastard.
[info]matociquala wrote:
Jun. 11th, 2008 06:55 pm (UTC)
Write another book. *g* (How many authors do you suppose sold the first novel they wrote? Answer: not so many.)
[info]biomekanic wrote:
Jun. 11th, 2008 08:51 pm (UTC)
I'd just add after getting a few other novels published, they might be more interested publishing The Bastard.

Maybe write something with a more likeable character that The Bastard is a foil too?

Hell, it worked for L.E. Modesitt, The White Order/Colors of Chaos duology is basically The Magic Engineer retold from the perspective of the "villains" of the setting, and they wind up coming across a lot more sympathetic than the purported heroes, at least in my opinion.
[info]britmandelo wrote:
Jun. 12th, 2008 02:49 am (UTC)
The first one was an atrocity that I put firmly under the bed. *g* This is the second. Oh, wow, was the first one bad.
[info]bifemmefatale wrote:
Jun. 11th, 2008 08:29 pm (UTC)
Point out that [info]truepenny's Felix is a complete bastard, and she's still selling books?
[info]matociquala wrote:
Jun. 11th, 2008 08:32 pm (UTC)
Bad idea. Arguing with rejection letters is a great way to burn your bridges with that particular agent or editor.
[info]britmandelo wrote:
Jun. 12th, 2008 02:51 am (UTC)
I felt like saying that. He isn't even as much of a bastard as Felix, but the book is about the Russian mafia. Why, oh why, would these men be nice and polite to anyone? Not really a surprise that he can be a little abrasive, lol.
[info]jmeadows wrote:
Jun. 11th, 2008 07:19 pm (UTC)
*nod* It's a struggle, figuring out how to do more things right when you're not doing anything wrong. I've been hearing it for a little over a year now; any day now, I'll figure it out! But it's been a long little over a year. :)
[info]doortoriver wrote:
Jun. 11th, 2008 07:28 pm (UTC)
Just so you know, this post was incredibly encouraging. *shoves into memories* Thank you for sharing these thoughts!
[info]chang3002 wrote:
Jun. 11th, 2008 08:12 pm (UTC)
This is so spot on that I want to go throw my finished novel and my unfinished one into the sea and start anew. I feel like I've kind of found my voice but not quite. Grrr. Well, I'll just keep banging out chords until something sounds different.
[info]jeliza wrote:
Jun. 11th, 2008 09:02 pm (UTC)
I read something somewhere that opined that the difference between garage bands and bands that break out is not musical competence, but having found their own sound. I've listened to this happen to a couple of friends' bands, and it's true, I think.

I'm now quite certain that it applies to the visual arts as well (and I think I'm stuck there, frankly, which is both horrible and useful.)
[info]matociquala wrote:
Jun. 11th, 2008 09:06 pm (UTC)
I think it applies to every art.
[info]aamcnamara wrote:
Jun. 11th, 2008 09:35 pm (UTC)
Ooh. Good post for right now--at least for me right now, sitting here at the Odyssey workshop reading LJ instead of pounding my forehead against the draft I'm working on, and thinking about publishing in all its aspects and forms.

...yeah. I know. Shouldn't be here. Maybe now the next line of the story has figured itself out.
[info]dsgood wrote:
Jun. 11th, 2008 09:51 pm (UTC)
"Nothing odd will do for long. Tristam Shandy did not last." Samuel Johnson, author of (among other things) the novel Rasselas.
[info]curgoth wrote:
Jun. 11th, 2008 10:02 pm (UTC)
I'd somehow managed to not have read "Abjure the Realm" before now. It made me smile, for obvious reasons.
[info]matociquala wrote:
Jun. 12th, 2008 01:55 am (UTC)
;-)

Someday, I may give those two a book. I think they've got it in them.

An odd, elegiac kind of book, as if I stole it from Patricia McKillip.
[info]ellen_datlow wrote:
Jun. 11th, 2008 11:24 pm (UTC)
I loved "Tidelines"--that's the one you read at KGB right? If I had still been editing SCIFICTION I would have bought it in a minute.
I'm delighted to see all the attention it's getting, but I have to say that I think "Sonny Liston Takes the Fall" is brilliant. Barry Malzberg thinks so too--and he's pretty choosy in what he calls brilliant. So bask in it.
[info]matociquala wrote:
Jun. 12th, 2008 01:32 am (UTC)
That is the one. And thank you!

And wow. Praise from Barry is one step down from praise from God, in my book. I'm incredibly glad he likes it, because I really do think it's my best short story to date.

Well, maybe Shoggoths is as good.

It's close, either way.
[info]ellen_datlow wrote:
Jun. 12th, 2008 01:37 am (UTC)
Someone else was really blown away by it but I'm afraid I can't remember who it was. It's buried somewhere in my emails.
[info]matociquala wrote:
Jun. 12th, 2008 01:52 am (UTC)
See? now you made my night twice.
[info]ellen_datlow wrote:
Jun. 12th, 2008 01:54 am (UTC)
I cannot tell a lie.

For a sec I thought that was a squid going crazy. Then I realized...Kermit? Nice dance steps :-)
[info]matociquala wrote:
Jun. 12th, 2008 01:57 am (UTC)
Best I can do is an octopus.

*g*
[info]ellen_datlow wrote:
Jun. 12th, 2008 02:20 am (UTC)
And it almost looks like it's dancing.
[info]theferrett wrote:
Jun. 12th, 2008 03:46 am (UTC)
Thank you.
[info]bluetyson wrote:
Jun. 13th, 2008 01:20 pm (UTC)
Shoggoths In Bloom is definitely excellent.

Maybe you should write some more stories with big beasties? :) (given the dragon and shoggoth success).

Tideline has a big machine I guess. :)

You could point out to the keen that you can get single issues of Asimov's at Fictionwise, if they wanna track it down.

http://www.fictionwise.com/servlet/mw?t=book.htm&bookid=63776&id=28574
[info]leatherzebra wrote:
Jun. 17th, 2008 12:36 am (UTC)
I think another significant part of this stage (which I am firmly dug into) is how many of us are stuck in it. This year for me so far has been characterized by "We loved it, but something better came a long at the last moment."

I do think I have my voice at this point, I just think the rest of the world hasn't caught on to that yet ;)

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