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Happy Birthday, Christopher Marlowe

  • Feb. 6th, 2004 at 6:30 AM
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Thank you for making the last year of my life so much more interesting than it otherwise might have been.

[info]riba_rambles muses on Kithere, and says just about everything that I would have said, only better.

Except that's a more blatant plug for The Stratford Man than I probably would have managed. *g*

Also, may I recommend Anthony Burgess' A Dead Man In Deptford, if you can get through it? It's not an easy book. But it is a brilliant one.

Given a brief survey of the pattern of interests on my fond-strangers-list (Yes, still not done being amused by that), may I recommend you slash fans start with Edward II?

The Complete Works available through the Persues project at Tufts.

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[info]princejvstin wrote:
Feb. 6th, 2004 02:50 pm (UTC)
Was this the face that launched a thousand ships
And burnt the topless towers of Ilium?

[info]cheshyre wrote:
Feb. 6th, 2004 03:08 pm (UTC)
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Every now and then, my husband (a bartender) muses about opening a strip club and naming it "Ilium" -- discount admission to firsttimers who get the joke...
[info]matociquala wrote:
Feb. 6th, 2004 03:20 pm (UTC)
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And of course there's Ovid for the B&D community...

Love I confess I am your subject, I / And hold my conquered hands for you to tie.

Dirty boy. *g*
[info]cheshyre wrote:
Feb. 6th, 2004 03:28 pm (UTC)
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Also with BDSM elements (though it's really more anti-domestic violence), Book 1, Elegy 7:
Bind fast my hands, they have deserved chains
And for polyamorists, Book 2, Elegy 10:
Groecinus (well I wot) thou told'st me once,
I could not be in love with two at once,
By thee deceived, by thee surprised am I,
For now I love two women equally
And that one has one of the funniest (IMO) closing couplets of a poem I've read in a long time. It's an old joke (I don't want to spoil it for those who haven't yet read the poem), but I hadn't realized just how old.
[info]lnhammer wrote:
Feb. 6th, 2004 03:31 pm (UTC)
I confess I had the thought, when I read them a couple weeks ago, of the crossover potential of The Jew of Malta and </i>Tamburlane</i>. But not slashy — more on the lines of would Barabas done any better if it had been Tamburlane instead of Turks.

The fornication in another country scene (the whole, not just that passage) is still my favorite from Marlowe. Even though the poor wench is >snf!< dead.

---L.
[info]cheshyre wrote:
Feb. 6th, 2004 03:40 pm (UTC)
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A few days ago at the library, I was flipping through some of Harold Bloom's essays on Shakespeare & Marlowe. Normally, I can't stand Bloom -- I think he's a pompous stuffed-shirt who does more harm for appreciation of Shakespeare than good -- but I noticed he edited a book of essays on Marlowe and I skimmed his introduction.

Much to my surprise, he appears to prefer Barabas to Shylock, and writes:
I cannot envision the late Groucho Marx playing Shylock, but I sometimes read through The Jew of Malta, mentally casting Groucho as Barabas.
[info]lnhammer wrote:
Feb. 6th, 2004 04:36 pm (UTC)
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He's got a point, at least for scenes when Barabas thinks he's on top and makes fun of everyone.

---L.
[info]supergee wrote:
Feb. 6th, 2004 03:46 pm (UTC)
Alas, I did not get throught it, though I am a Burgess fan.
[info]matociquala wrote:
Feb. 6th, 2004 03:55 pm (UTC)
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I'll confess--some of my admiration was writergeeking over the first-person omniscient unreliable narrator.

That's like doing triple axels just to prove you can. *g*

Showoff.

I thought his Kit was a bit of a whiner, though.
[info]coffeeandink wrote:
Feb. 6th, 2004 03:54 pm (UTC)
I did not know this; it makes me especially happy I started The Reckoning on the way to work this morning.

A Dead Man in Deptford is miles and miles better than Nothing Like the Sun (which makes sense, given how much later it was written), but it still doesn't quite feel right for me.
[info]matociquala wrote:
Feb. 6th, 2004 04:10 pm (UTC)
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I think it suffers from the problem that many historical novels do--it suffers as a narrative arc because Burgess had a hard time separating the story from the list of facts and conjectures. It's a weird kind of flaw, because I still think the book is brilliant in many ways--

--but it's definitely the kind of flaw that leaves the story 'feeling' 'lopsided'
[info]coffeeandink wrote:
Feb. 7th, 2004 02:47 pm (UTC)
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It wasn't the shape of the book so much as that I didn't quite buy those particular interactions of life and imagination in creating a poet -- I had the sense of the details of the life being taken too literally from the work, as backward explication. But this is a problem I often have with novels about writers, not to mention biographies of them.
[info]matociquala wrote:
Feb. 7th, 2004 03:07 pm (UTC)
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I think that's exactly the same thing I'm saying, in different words: attempting to find a tidyness between the history, the work, and the fictionalized biogrqaphy.

And you'd think writers would know better than to subscribe to that particular myth. *g*

I have the advantage that, even though I'm obsessed with Kit, two of my works relating to him ("This Tragic Glass" and The Stratford Man) take place after his death, and the other one, (The Cobbler's Boy [of which I am only part patron: it was a collaboration]) takes place when he was rather young. I'd not attempt a book where the conflict revolved around the protagonists biography; I'm reasonably certain that it's beyond me.

That said, Burgess' narrative technique and his work with the first-person omniscient POV in Dead Man still blew me away. Amazing, amazing stuff.
[info]takumashii wrote:
Feb. 6th, 2004 04:06 pm (UTC)
I've just started on Edward II for a course in renaissance literature, and I can certainly concur that it bleeds slashiness. As well as being extremely entertaining, at least that part of it which I've read.
[info]rosamund wrote:
Feb. 8th, 2004 12:00 am (UTC)
A happy belated birthday to Kit.

And what's wrong with doing triple axels just because you can?

[info]rettstatt wrote:
Feb. 8th, 2004 06:11 pm (UTC)
I was recently looking around for some interesting journals and happily found yours. I hope you don't mind if I add you.

Chris
[info]matociquala wrote:
Feb. 8th, 2004 06:12 pm (UTC)
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Come on in!
[info]franzeska wrote:
Feb. 8th, 2004 10:43 pm (UTC)
I read Edward II for one of my many perverted highly intellectual Renaissance Drama classes (probably for sodomy week in Renaissance Sexualities). We watched part of the super gay movie version that has some sort of vague AIDS implication in place of the thing with the poker... well it also has the poker... It's rather an odd rendition.

You do realize that someone is going to go write some Edward slash in really dreadful meter now.
[info]matociquala wrote:
Feb. 8th, 2004 10:57 pm (UTC)
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Oh, you had to alert the Universal Webmind to the possibility.
[info]lnhammer wrote:
Feb. 9th, 2004 02:41 am (UTC)
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Given I've seen Midsummer Night's Dream slashfic — well, orgyfic anyway — in wretched meter, it was always a possibility for the Universal Webmind.

Come to think of it, wasn't the Moonlighting/Taming of the Shrew crossoverfic half in meter as well?

---L.
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