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Congratulations! It's a baby novel!

  • Oct. 6th, 2005 at 4:05 PM
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There has been some discussion recently of the mysterious opacity of publishing, and how little various branches of it tend to know about what other contributors to the process actually do. So anyway, in the spirit of [info]deannahoak's recent posts, here's what I see of the publishing process.

So, what actually happens once you sell a book? After the negotiations are over and the contracts are signed, once you've had the first-date conversation with your new editor during which you alternately gush at each other and then apologize for gushing, and generally both hope to make as good an impression as possible (Hey, editors are people too--and when they buy a book, they are hoping for a long and profitable relationship.) what happens then?

Well, ideally, what happens next is that you enter a partnership. (And we're going to talk ideal scenarios here, because it's easier.)

This is all from the writer's POV, of course, because that's what I am. I know at least one book designer, one literary agent, several novel editors, and one professional copy editor read this journal, and I hope all y'all will sing out with what the process looks like from your ends, too.

The first thing that happens is that you wait. At some point, the waiting will be interrupted by one or several rounds of revision requests. Some of these will be negotiable ("I really feel that the ending would be stronger if you didn't kill off minor character A, because I think his death is stealing thunder from the death of major character C.") and some will be less negotiable ("and cut 5,000 words."). Depending on your editor and how well you write, these notes may include extensive line edits, or they may not. You will read over the revision notes and decide how best to address them, and if any of them are changes you're not willing to make.

Pick the hills you're going to die on. Be assured your editor is doing the same. Hope they're not the same hills. Bear in your mind the awareness that both of you want the same thing: the best book possible.

Generally speaking, this first round of revisions will be electronic. Your editor may also send back a marked up MS, but it's generally understood that these revisions are likely to be extensive enough to require an entire new manuscript.

Once this round is gotten through, there may be a second, lighter round of revisions ("line editing") which will mostly be clarifications and line edits. These may be carried out on a manuscript, by hand. Your editor will go through and mark up the MS, and you will go through with the STET stamp go through and address her issues, or take exception to them, and return any pages with changes on them.

Your editor will usually work in blue pencil. You should pick another color. One that's dark enough to show up, and not easily mistaken for blue, or for red, which seems to be the CE color of choice. I use green or purple.

Some editors may skip this step, and proceed directly to the next bit, which is turning the line-edited manuscript over to the CE (copy editor). In that case, you will see the editor's line-edits when you see the copy edited manuscript (CEM).

At this point, the book is "delivered" and your second advance check is in the mail. Hopefully. (You get the first check on signing and the third check on publication.)

However, during this time, mysterious things happen. The manuscript goes to the production editor, for example, who tears her hair out over it, and assigns a CE (and can ask the CE for various things--including a "light" copyedit or a "heavy" one--here's another good reason to turn in the cleanest MS you can!) and a book designer. Also, marketing copy is being written and art is being designed and so is the interior of the book, and the sales force is being made aware that it's coming. If you have a very, very nice editor, or a very good agent, you may be asked what you think of the cover art or cover copy, or even allowed input into same. However, you may very well first see this stuff when the flats are UPSed to your house a month or two before the book hits the shelves.

The book designer is the person whose job it is to make sure that you 750-page ms looks pretty crammed into the 400 hardback pages they can afford to give you to hit a $24.95 price point. Be nice to her.

The art, marketing, and sales departments are the people whose job it is to make sure the outside of your book looks good to store buyers and prospective readers, and to convince the B-chains that your book is the next big thing. Be nice to them, too. You will have a publicist. He has 50 other books to pimp this year, too, but he's hopefully doing his best for yours, as well. You may even meet him someday. (Mine shared his dessert with me. It was chocolate. He is a nice man.)

Okay. Back with our friend the manuscript. It's currently being copyedited (see [info]deannahoak's livejournal for details of this (hopefully) painstaking process.) A good CE lives to make sure you don't go out in public with your skirt tucked into your knickers. Be nice to her, too.

After it is copyedited (which is different from line editing in that line editing is an aesthetic process, while copyediting concerns itself more with accuracy) it comes back to you the writer. At which point you get to go over it again (in your differently-colored pencil!) and stet changes you dislike, and answer queries. You then return your (hopelessly dizzy and jetlagged) MS to your publisher, again.

The editor goes over it again, and sends it to be typeset. In my experience, this is where a lot of errors creep in. After it is typeset, Advance Review Copies (aka galleys or ARCs) and page proofs (also aka galleys) are produced. The ARCs go to people who are expected to produce reviews, buzz, blurbs, or all three. The page proofs go to you, and (hopefully) to a proofreader.

This is your last chance to fix what is broken. Some writers rewrite extensively at this point. As I generally have done five or more complete drafts by this point, I, um, don't. Because I couldn't think of many changes to make if you paid me. But I do keep an eye out for rhymes, errors, infelicities, and things. The real trick with that is that you don't want to change the page composition at this point: the book needs to stay the same length, in other words, and if you keep crawling lines up and down the page your contract contains a clause that says the publisher can make you pay for the new typesetting.

If it was big, in other words, you should have fixed it on the CEM.

You send the page proofs back and that's it. The next time you see the puppy, you'll be signing it for somebody.

Good luck. *g*

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[info]suricattus wrote:
Oct. 6th, 2005 11:46 pm (UTC)
if you keep crawling lines up and down the page your contract contains a clause that says the publisher can make you pay for the new typesetting.

There's generally a percentage of changes you can make without incurring costs. It's a much smaller number of actual changes than most writers think. And they will charge you.
[info]veejane wrote:
Oct. 7th, 2005 02:10 pm (UTC)
Oh, yes. If you look carefully at galleys (this is more true of galleys than page proof), you might see the tiny letters "pe", circled, in the margin, writ by the copyeditor's hand. This is a note that a particular correction is the printer's error, and will not be paid for by the publisher to correct.

I have yet to meet a book that came in under budget on page proof correx, but then, I work in non-fiction, where the design tends to be pretty complex. And when we do go overbudget, one option for helping the author manage costs is to say "no." Only our big-ticket authors are allowed to rewrite after copyediting is done.
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[info]faithhopetricks wrote:
Oct. 6th, 2005 11:53 pm (UTC)
Awesome post!

Pick the hills you're going to die on. Be assured your editor is as well. Hope they're not the same hills.

That's one of the best advices wrt editing I've ever seen. Yeah.
[info]aranel wrote:
Oct. 7th, 2005 12:50 am (UTC)
How does one become a book designer?
[info]matociquala wrote:
Oct. 7th, 2005 01:14 am (UTC)
No clue. *g*
[info]fancythat2 wrote:
Oct. 7th, 2005 01:41 am (UTC)
*pipes up*
Become a graphic designer, they design the look of the book and cover.
A fine artist does the painting/drawing for the cover but the graphic designer decides the layout, fonts, colors, etc...
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[info]rilina wrote:
Oct. 7th, 2005 03:23 am (UTC)
Have a graphic design degree and get entry level/freelance experience in publishing. The Columbia Publishing Course is a good way to get a foot in the door if you haven't other means of doing that.
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[info]kythiaranos wrote:
Oct. 7th, 2005 01:08 am (UTC)
That was really interesting. I'd heard some of it before, but never in detail. Thanks for sharing.
[info]iagor wrote:
Oct. 7th, 2005 01:38 am (UTC)
Cool post! I'd add that it's advisable to actually closely read the contract. It tells in plain language, when, what, how, and how much must be delivered. If one doesn't understand something, one should ask her agent, that's what they are hired for :)
[info]matociquala wrote:
Oct. 7th, 2005 02:19 pm (UTC)
Oh yeah. Close rad the contract should go without saying. But any number of writers don't.

[info]msagara had a series of *great* posts on understanding you contract. I have most of them filed under "The business of writing" in my memories.
[info]amysisson wrote:
Oct. 7th, 2005 02:31 am (UTC)
What useful info -- thank you!
[info]mmarques wrote:
Oct. 7th, 2005 02:58 am (UTC)
Thanks for the info dump!
[info]missoccurs wrote:
Oct. 7th, 2005 09:42 am (UTC)
That was incredibly informative. *adds to her memories* Thanks!
[info]jmeadows wrote:
Oct. 7th, 2005 10:20 am (UTC)
I think I love you.

So much is clear now!

Clearer.

The whole process is really mysterious.

*giggles*

*memories*
[info]autopope wrote:
Oct. 7th, 2005 10:46 am (UTC)
Generally good, but there's a little bit missing ...

1. The line edit and copy edit stages may be compressed into one, or the line edit may be ommitted entirely, if your publisher trusts you. Note that this only happens after they've published a couple of your books already and know how you work.

2. The checking of the galleys is a movable feast. I know one publisher where they send them to the author and to two professional proof-readers, independently; another where nobody but the commissioning editor gives the galley a once-over after you send it back. Both are major big-name publishers. (Confession: I get so paranoid over the latter that I pay a professional proofreader. And check it myself. The last set of galleys I returned ran to 400 pages, and there were changes on 395 of them -- mostly typos, punctuation errors, or minor stuff, but stuff that nobody had caught prior to that point. Yes, this is expensive. But I haven't been notified of any typos in the resulting book, unlike my earlier ones ...)

3. Foreign and paperback editions in the same language will almost always be produced by re-flowing the DTP file (typically Quark) from the hardback to fit a template designed for a paperback or for the other publisher's files. For example, my SF novels are published in the USA first; then a UK publisher buys the DTP files and reflows the text. You can ask to see the galleys in this process, but it's not a default option because the secondary publication is assumed to already have been checked. So keep a list of notified errata in the first edition hardcover! It will make life much easier when you hit paperback or an overseas/same language edition -- you can just throw a list of errors at your editor and the new edition will be fixed.

4. Publishers frequently do not do their own typesetting or printing -- these are external tasks. So it's possible that the typeset files will be owned by some bureau who charge money (typically $50-250) for a copy. (This may be relevant in event of rights reversion if you want to do something funky like put the book out as a POD object yourself, or point it at another publisher. But this doesn't, in practice, happen for quite a long time after initial publication -- if ever.)

5. One nightmare scenario is, you have both British and American publishers who want to publish the book at the same time. If they're smart and lazy, they'll work together (so that one of them handles editing/proofing/typesetting/ARCs and the other pays for the files). If they're dumb they may want to edit your novel separately. This may include separate line-edits and copy editing, in two different versions of English with different spelling and grammar rules. In other words, double the work for, maybe, 30-50% more money (if you're a US writer selling into the UK). If you're in this situation, try to get your editors to talk to each other. Better still, get your agent to get them to talk to one another. You shouldn't have to go there needlessly, and it's a huge drain on your time.

(Worst case: my first novel went there, with two differently-edited versions with different titles in either market. Two sets of copy-edits, two sets of galley proofs ... and four weeks before the UK edition came out, the UK publisher went into liquidation. Words fail me to express my joy and happiness over the wasted effort which, I estimate, was about enough to write half another novel. Finally another UK publisher bought the US version, reflowed the DTP file, and ran it -- case closed.)

6. All of this process can be quite time-consuming. For a 120,000 word novel (about the average current length), I estimate that a read-through and check of a light line-edit can take 2-3 days, if you read the entire MS. Checking copy-edits properly takes at least the same again, and possibly longer -- call it 3-5 days. Checking galleys is the most tedious chore (you're looking for eye-deluding tpyos and similar) and is more likely 4-6 days. The combined post-submission process of getting a novel into print, after your editor buys it, is therefore going to eat at least two, and possibly as many as four, weeks of your time (excluding major edits).
[info]matociquala wrote:
Oct. 7th, 2005 02:14 pm (UTC)
One of my publishers does the line edit/copy edit simultaneously--I only see that MS once--and the other does it in stages. I suspect it's got as much to do with editor/publisher preference as anything else.

I didn't discuss simultaneous publication because I've got no personal experience with same-language overseas publication yet, as Spectra has world English rights to the Jenny books and none of the others have sold overseas. That's good advice you're handing out there, and I will hopefully have need of it before too long. *g*

One of the reasons Hammered has so many damned tyops is because I had a 20-hour turnaround on the galleys, which means I more or less sat down and went over the book once and sent it back. Fortunately, that was the result of what you might call a scheduling malfunction by somebody who no longer works for the company, and they've never done that to me again.

And Scardown is a heck of a lot cleaner.
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[info]mevennen wrote:
Oct. 7th, 2005 11:51 am (UTC)
Highly accurate - although since your editor is also my editor, it would be! ;-)
[info]matociquala wrote:
Oct. 7th, 2005 02:15 pm (UTC)
*g* I think there are individual publisher quirks--and individual editor quirks!--but the general process seems to be pretty standard.
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[info]aimeempayne wrote:
Oct. 7th, 2005 02:18 pm (UTC)
Very informative post and thread.

Thank you.
[info]veejane wrote:
Oct. 7th, 2005 02:29 pm (UTC)
FYI, although it's not obvious, there is a difference between galley and page proof stages in production. A lot of non-fiction books go directly to page proof, reserving galleys for books that are so messy or complex that every single page is likely to need correction.

The main difference is that galley is just flowing the text into the design, whereas page proof concerns itself with rectos and versos, blanks, and so forth. (There are other differences, but that's the main that leaps out at one.)
[info]matociquala wrote:
Oct. 7th, 2005 02:34 pm (UTC)
That's an awesome bit of information. Thank you!
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[info]wrathchylde wrote:
Oct. 7th, 2005 02:41 pm (UTC)
Thank you for posting this. Great info.
[info]vlpettersson wrote:
Oct. 7th, 2005 02:56 pm (UTC)
God, this was timely. I had a panic dream about this just last night. While these usually manifests themselves -- in great, excrutiating detail -- by showing me standing somewhere naked in public with a task to accomplish for which I'm totally unprepared, this one had me talking on the phone with my new editor who was explaining just this process ... except the phone kept cutting out so I missed all the pertinent details. Thank you.
[info]writer_space wrote:
Oct. 7th, 2005 03:12 pm (UTC)
I confess that I'm dreading receiving edits on the manuscript I recently turned in, because I think we'll be doing revision, line edits and copyedits all at once, more or less. It may be a faster, more efficient way to do it, but inside, I'm already weeping. *g*
[info]matociquala wrote:
Oct. 7th, 2005 04:32 pm (UTC)
It'll be over before you know it. Stiff upper lip!
[info]bneuensc wrote:
Oct. 7th, 2005 03:41 pm (UTC)
Great post! Like you say, a lot of this information isn't that well-circulated (there's a billion websites telling you how to submit your novel, but very few saying what happens once you strike gold). I've been running a series of essays on my own website detailing the publication process for Doppelganger, because I realized going into it that I had little to no clue what would happen when. I was rather grateful that Warner sent me a little booklet billing itself as "Exhortations and advice for our authors for preparing manuscripts for press," but it doesn't cover everything.

Which reminds me. Since I'm currently at the "waiting for page proofs" stage, I should get around to posting the most recent installment of the saga.
[info]matociquala wrote:
Oct. 7th, 2005 04:30 pm (UTC)
Hey, congratulations on your forthcoming publication!

And good on Warner on that. *g*
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[info]cmpriest wrote:
Oct. 7th, 2005 04:06 pm (UTC)
Unrelated to this, but ... I dropped you an email about that story I gave you for the NOLA chapbook.

I'm just sayin'.
And this is an excellent post, by the way. Yea verily, I have linked it!
[info]matociquala wrote:
Oct. 7th, 2005 04:25 pm (UTC)
Recieved and answered, and thank you. *g*
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[info]neutronjockey wrote:
Oct. 7th, 2005 05:59 pm (UTC)
*whew* damn near industry information overload ... perfect.post.
-=Jeff=-
[info]serenya_loreden wrote:
Oct. 7th, 2005 11:59 pm (UTC)
I am a reader, not a writer, nor even a wannabe-writer. But I find this sort of post absolutely fascinating. Thank you :)
(Anonymous) wrote:
Oct. 9th, 2005 12:44 pm (UTC)
Editing
Hey bear, Thanks for the info on the editing process. I'm yet to take the first step along that path, but it's valuable info for when it DOES happen. btw, it's rather odd calling you Bear. It's been my 15 yr old daughter's nickname since birth. Greg
[info]matociquala wrote:
Oct. 9th, 2005 02:42 pm (UTC)
Re: Editing
Another in the great sisterhood of bears! *g*

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