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Book 21: Scott Lynch, The Lies of Locke Lamora
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I really, really like this book. Let's get that right out there in front, because then there's some stuff I'm going to pick apart. I highly recommend it to just about anybody who liked The Stainless Steel Rat, Fafhrd & the Mouser, Thieves' World, et al. It's got vivid characters, a gorgeously realized fantasy city (Camorr is going to be remembered as One Of Those Milieux. It's a fantastic city, with smells and sounds and a distinctive rattle to its cough.), and fast-paced action. It's not quite as vibrant as, say, Neveryona--but this is a first novel. And [info]scott_lynch (you know how weird it is reviewing somebody who reads this blog?) has a wicked sense of humor.

Now, the sticky bits.

So he's using this structure, where Locke Lamora's backstory is being revealed in parallel with the front story, as it were. And there's a cliffhanger hook at the end of each section of backstory, drawing the reader forward. It works really well. That is to say, once it settles down; the prologue, while necessary and useful to the story, breaks the pattern of the rest. And is confusing. And structurally, a bit of a dog's breakfast.

In other words, it gets the job done, but it isn't pretty. If you're not a structure freak, you'll never notice. Also, there are some patches of slightly rough writing. But there are also a lot of really good, vivid, powerful ones. And it goes by fast. This is a book that drags you around by the shirt collar, and I mean that in the best way possible.

My more significant tripping point is the POV choice. The book is nearly in omniscient. Except.... well, there's that small structural problem again. Mostly, it's a fairly tightly limited omni, without headhopping. This, unfortunately, makes it at first look like poor POV discipline, by which I mean, using any convenient pair of eyes to tell the story. Which is an easy way to tell the story. Because you can give any scene from the POV of the person who most knows what's going on, or whose reactions are more revealing, or who does not know the thing you want to conceal. But it has a pretty devastating opportunity cost, I think; we have a hard time finding sympathy for Locke... who is kind of a hard guy to plug into anyway. Now, I'm not a reader who Wants An Audience Identification Character At All Costs. But. It can be a bit distracting in this case. Especially when, without warning, the camera can pull back into full omni for a paragraph or two, usually to set a scene or deliver a portentous bit of foreshadowing. It, you know... well, it gets the job done, she said again. But it isn't as pretty as it could be.

I'm going to hazard a guess that it's an instinctive writing choice rather than a considered one, because of its kind of inconsistency, but I could bloody well be making an idiot of myself.

On the other hand, that also hits its stride by the time the third chapter rolls around.

On the other paw, however, I really feel the need to comment on the textures of the landscape. Those are well-served by the POV choice, and I think might have been even better served by a true omniscient (really, I just want to see everybody suffer under the yoke of omni-POV), which could show us the sweep and scope of Camorr, and also its narrowness, its darkness and grit.

There's a lot of thematic subtlety here, too. The title is a big clue, of course. Lies are what the book is all about, and lies are what Locke Lamora is all about. But there's a whole circus of thematic resonance cartwheeling around that simple statement. And I don't want to give too much of that aspect away, because it's very cool. This is, in many ways, a delicate and inobvious book, with enough sheer whee value for the groundlings, as it were.

Overall, rollicking, thoughtful, a lot of fun, and a sheer pleasure to read. I'm not done with it yet, but I keep being annoyed when I have to do other things.






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So, genre. I'm an idiot to want to talk about this, but here we go.

When I was in school, I was fortunate enough to learn from Dr. Tom Roberts, a professor at the University of Connecticut who is also the author of An Aesthetics of Junk Fiction. I don't agree with all of his ideas, but one thing that really stuck with me was the idea he had of genre rewarding broad reading--that there's a lot of value in the conversation, as opposed to the individual works.

(Which is not to say that there are not individual works of vast literary value within the SFF canon.)

I've been noticing for a while that a fair number of the books hailed as classics within the genre are, by objective standards, not exactly heartbreaking works of shattering genius. And then there are some books that I think are heartbreaking yadda yadda, that more or less sink without a ripple. (And let me clarfiy here and say I'm not talking about me. Even a little bit. Even sideways.) And I think in some cases--perhaps many cases--the merit of those books which are, you know, pretty good, but not classics for the ages... well, maybe it's overinflated or overhyped. Or maybe what's going on is that they're being assessed not for their own literary merit, but for what they contribute to the argument.

Which allows me, as a reader, to look at those books again and find something of merit in them that I didn't before.

Which may, at last, give me a definition of genre that I'm happy with. Genre is the meta-conversation that the book attempts to engage.

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[info]suricattus wrote:
Mar. 7th, 2006 12:44 pm (UTC)
Genre is the meta-conversation that the book attempts to engage.

That works, yeah. So long as the conversation doesn't devolve into a narrow argument, as so often seems to happen...

[info]matociquala wrote:
Mar. 7th, 2006 12:48 pm (UTC)
heh. yeah.

Bruce Coville said this great thing at Boskone about genres trumping each other. Frex, SF trumps mystery, generally (A mystery novel set in 2100 will usually be shelved in SF.) and "queer fiction" trumps just about everything. Because, as he said, normal people don't want to read that stuff.

Which is kind of interesting, because many elements of SFF revel in the genderfuck. So maybe it's more a rock paper scissors kind of thing.
[info]stevenagy wrote:
Mar. 7th, 2006 01:24 pm (UTC)
I like that as a definition. :-)

Genre is rock, paper, scissors, except it uses planetoids, space-time, and lasers.
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[info]faithhopetricks wrote:
Mar. 7th, 2006 05:56 pm (UTC)
That's interesting....I think "classics" trumps a whole lot, because you'll find books like 1984, Brave New World, Frankenstein, et al, shelved there (or also under "literature"). There was an awful lot of fuss about 20-30 years ago whether or not Vonnegut was Genre Fiction, and he's usually in the general fiction section nowadays -- so are Atwood's "sf" books (Handmaid's Tale, O&C -- altho Handmaid's Tale also winds up in the classics section).

I find it all rather silly, really....one of the things I find appealing about Amazon.com is I can just type in the title/author name and it pops up. I don't have to wander about trying to figure out what the bookstore manager's ideas about genre are....
[info]swan_tower wrote:
Mar. 7th, 2006 01:52 pm (UTC)
I've heard the "conversation" concept before, but never applied as an aesthetic -- just as a means of "defining" genre. If the book is trying to talk to other things that seem to be SF, then it's SF. Which is why Crichton, for example, could be considered not SF -- he might have the gadgets and suchlike, but he's off on a conversational tangent that involves thriller writers more than SF ones.
[info]cheshyre wrote:
Mar. 7th, 2006 04:03 pm (UTC)
Interesting. That may also be reason to exclude some older media sci-fi, which did not involve itself in the conversation.

Now modern SF may be conversational responses to media SF, thus bringing it into the fold as a prerequisite (though not of itself).

Need to ruminate it more, but this concept of inclusion makes far more sense than other attempts at boundary-drawing I've seen.
[info]swan_tower wrote:
Mar. 7th, 2006 06:04 pm (UTC)
It's more about drawing connections than boundaries. Greg Bear isn't necessarily in the same conversation as a Star Wars tie-in novel -- but each of them might be in conversation with some related people.
[info]faithhopetricks wrote:
Mar. 7th, 2006 05:58 pm (UTC)
I think Crichton is far more a writer in the school of How Stuff Works, AKA the Infodump (of which James Michener was maybe the classic practitioner) -- what with modern sf's horror of the infodump, I don't think he fits v well, altho something like Jurassic Park (awful as it was) is surely an sfnal concept.
[info]swan_tower wrote:
Mar. 7th, 2006 06:06 pm (UTC)
Or, from another angle -- Crichton really doesn't concern himself much with how the technology (or the weird alien artifact, or whatever) changes human society, which is a conversation SF writers have been having for decades. His concern, like that of a thriller writer, is more about the immediate threat the whatever poses, and how people can survive against it. When all's said and done, the status quo generally remains untouched.
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[info]coalescent wrote:
Mar. 7th, 2006 02:17 pm (UTC)
I highly recommend it to just about anybody who liked The Stainless Steel Rat, Fafhrd & the Mouser, Thieves' World, et al.

Hmm. A copy turned up for SH, and I was going to keep it for myself, but this makes me think I should send it out to someone else.
[info]matociquala wrote:
Mar. 7th, 2006 02:21 pm (UTC)
It really has a Stainless Steel Rat feel. I mean that in a very positive way; I loved those books.
[info]scott_lynch wrote:
Mar. 7th, 2006 04:36 pm (UTC)
Those books... those damn books... inspired my sole intentional criminal act(s) so far in life, when I was 15, very bored, and thought I was a suuuuper-genius. Fortunately, juvenile crimes don't hang around in one's records... impersonating a police officer is a touchy offense. :) Maybe I'll tell you about it some day. Probably have to be a bit tipsy, first.

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[info]jaylake wrote:
Mar. 7th, 2006 02:18 pm (UTC)
Genre is the meta-conversation that the book attempts to engage.

Nicely put. I can look at both Rocket Science and Trial of Flowers and tell you who I was talking back to when I wrote them, for example.
[info]handworn wrote:
Mar. 7th, 2006 02:36 pm (UTC)
I've been noticing for a while that a fair number of the books hailed as classics within the genre are, by objective standards, not exactly heartbreaking works of shattering genius. And then there are some books that I think are heartbreaking yadda yadda, that more or less sink without a ripple.

The first editions which collectors go the craziest over are not the result of a one-dimensional analysis of the best writing. "The book in its moment," is what they want to own, said one dealer to Larry and Nancy Goldstone (as recounted in their Used and Rare, which I recommend). They want a book which evokes that generation, and that way of being.

Anyway. That part of your post reminded me of that effect. How readers or collectors or anyone else taking a creation at second hand affect its considered merit by where they are in their lives, and what they need to see. Kinda funny.
[info]scott_lynch wrote:
Mar. 7th, 2006 04:46 pm (UTC)
I'm going to hazard a guess that it's an instinctive writing choice rather than a considered one, because of its kind of inconsistency, but I could bloody well be making an idiot of myself.

Help! Police! Someone is misinterpreting me on the intarwebs! Wah!

Nah, you're pretty spot-on. Particularly in the prologue and first chapter or two, there was, as you might expect, far more blind stumbling than confident calculation. I'm sure if you look closely at the forensic evidence within the chapters and paragraphs, you can track it like a narrative CSI: "He didn't know how to write a novel yet here... he didn't know here... still didn't know... Jeez, what a dumbass... okay, he appears to be learning here..."

Anne's major 'general criticism' was to pay closer attention to POV, and to whose head I was in in any given scene. Mostly it's under control by the end of the book, but as you can see, the viewpoint is... whimsical.

Not finished yet? What are you talking about? You can cut at least two hours of sleep out of each night, and you can eat while you read. Also, you can just ignore your own writing for a day or two, not go anywhere, and pretend to not be married. That's not so hard, is it?

(How far into it are you?)



[info]matociquala wrote:
Mar. 7th, 2006 04:55 pm (UTC)
Hee. It's a hell of a lot better than my first novel, and I stuck to a single POV throughout.

Which turned out to be a mistake :-P

I'm, oh, a quarter of the way in, currently. I no longer read as fast as I used to, because I now read every damned word and think about them all.

Which is why my agent says I'm too picky....
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[info]faithhopetricks wrote:
Mar. 7th, 2006 06:00 pm (UTC)
Help! Police! Someone is misinterpreting me on the intarwebs! Wah!

SNERK

I'm sure if you look closely at the forensic evidence within the chapters and paragraphs, you can track it like a narrative CSI: "He didn't know how to write a novel yet here... he didn't know here... still didn't know... Jeez, what a dumbass... okay, he appears to be learning here..."

That's seriously awesome. "Follow the trail of exposition residue here...."
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[info]shewhomust wrote:
Mar. 7th, 2006 04:57 pm (UTC)
Genre is the meta-conversation that the book attempts to engage

*steals*

Does this mean that if an author like, oh, say, Margaret Atwood, says "Oh, I wasn't talking to you!" then it isn't SF after all?

Also, there's no such thing as too picky.
[info]orbitalmechanic wrote:
Mar. 7th, 2006 05:43 pm (UTC)
No way. Authors don't get to decide that stuff. (Heh. No offense.) I get the utility of saying "attempts to engage" because then even if it doesn't really *get* it, you're still in the right zone. But I think a lot of that definition can stand without intentionality. Sometimes major SF tropes get out into the world and mainstream authors engage them and at that point it doesn't matter whether they think that's a dirty label, because they're in the conversation.

People are still brawling over whether this or that novel is "realism" in the litcrit and that movement ended eighty years ago. OR DID IT?
[info]faithhopetricks wrote:
Mar. 7th, 2006 05:53 pm (UTC)
Stainless Steel Rat

I love those books!

I've been noticing for a while that a fair number of the books hailed as classics within the genre are, by objective standards, not exactly heartbreaking works of shattering genius. And then there are some books that I think are heartbreaking yadda yadda, that more or less sink without a ripple

It's really interesting to look at some of those Nebula Anthologies from, say, 20-30 years past and see what got in -- and what got left out. One thing I really like about the net is if I, say, read Bone Dance as a young adult and then have to sell a lot of my books and don't remember the author/title but describe it in detail on LJ, someone like [info]coffeeandink will pop up and tell me what it is -- and I can go right out online and get it. It makes me feel a lot more plugged in (The Reader Who Was Plugged In?) and less resentful about having Great Books Thrust Upon Me than when I was just stuck with, say, the hard copy of F&SF as a young reader. I think the internet plays a big role in resurrecting forgotten, real classics -- either cause people post queries about them or post analytic quasi-essays about them.

Reading genre books alone for me is also significantly different from talking about them with other people -- I found out about Robert Silverberg's Dying Inside from Brian Aldiss's Trillion Year Spree, frex, found it in a used bookstore, and liked it OK with reservations -- it's sort of v Rothian and heavily stamped with its time and place, but I really loved the central metaphor, conceit, idea, whatever, the telepath whose powers are slowly ebbing and how it affects his life, his personality; how this "gift" has blessed and warped him (compare it with something that that kind of gift as pretty much an unmitigated good, frex, Sturgeon's "Baby Makes Three"). Then I get online and the reaction of pretty much all my smart female sf-reading friends is OH GODS I HATED THAT AGHGHG UCK EW. So I'm left going....wha? and feeling out of step....
[info]matociquala wrote:
Mar. 7th, 2006 05:58 pm (UTC)
Somebody oughta resurrect Joe Haldeman's All My Sins Remembered.
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[info]hamadryad11 wrote:
Mar. 7th, 2006 11:46 pm (UTC)
Thanks for posting such a thorough review. The Lies of Locke Lamora sounds very intriguing. I was a bit disappointed to see that I have to wait until August to get it. Am now adding it to my ever-growing List Of Things To Read.
[info]scott_lynch wrote:
Mar. 8th, 2006 05:53 am (UTC)
August? Why? In Canada? That should be covered by Orion's distribution network; the book's UK/Australia/Canada release date is June 15th. In the US it's June 27th. Does that help? :)
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[info]chrisbillett wrote:
Mar. 7th, 2006 11:49 pm (UTC)
I LoveLoveLoved this book too, I'll be interested to hear about how sympathetic towards Locke you are when you're done, and why! I found some bits with regard to that really interesting!
[info]merle_ wrote:
Mar. 11th, 2006 08:39 pm (UTC)
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that what makes something a "classic, must-read" is more of a consensual thing based on the interpretations of the readers than anything else.

Heller's "Catch 22" was big when I was in high school. "You have to read it, it's great!" Well, I suppose it was. Certainly it was fine literature, with well developed chapters and sentences and all that. But the concept seemed simplistic to me, having already stumbled across it. It was a good book, but it did not resonate with me.

On the other hand, I find that I cannot read "Soldiers Live" (by Glen Cook) without shudders running through my arms, because something in it *clicks* with me. It is unlikely to become a classic. Few have read it (especially as it is tenth in a series). But, for me, it is a book I return to over and over, always finding deeper meanings.

If enough people return to the same book and find new meanings in it, and discuss it, that book often becomes a "classic", or it gains praise in some other form. If one just reads the "top ten classic" SF books, it does not do much to introduce one to the genre. Instead, if you read several hundred books, and read those ten classics at some point, one might find threads of influence (like discovering "oh, so that's where the word 'ansible' came from!").
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