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  • Aug. 21st, 2006 at 4:07 PM
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I failed "Creative Writing."






Twice.



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[info]fidelioscabinet wrote:
Aug. 21st, 2006 08:07 pm (UTC)
Does that say more about the creative writing classes, or about you?

[info]matociquala wrote:
Aug. 21st, 2006 08:10 pm (UTC)
Am I turning into one of those people?
My Campbell award, my nationally best-selling novels, and I leave that as an exercise to the class.

Man, was that my outside voice?
[info]snurri wrote:
Aug. 21st, 2006 08:08 pm (UTC)
In third grade we were assigned to write a story. We were given a sheet of paper with a list of titles on it. I was very put off by the idea of having to fit my imagination into a pre-chosen box and, in a fit of pique (leavened with 9-year-old laziness), I refused to do the assignment.

It's the otter thing, I think.
[info]matociquala wrote:
Aug. 21st, 2006 08:11 pm (UTC)
Hee. I probably would have written a story intended to undermine the title.

Doomed. Both of us.
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[info]nanne wrote:
Aug. 21st, 2006 08:13 pm (UTC)
Did you take CW with [info]sleigh? ^_^
[info]matociquala wrote:
Aug. 21st, 2006 08:14 pm (UTC)
I know not this [info]sleigh. I took Creative Writing in 1989 in high school, and again in 1991 or so, in college.

And yes, I just dated myself like imbedded carbon. *g*
(no subject) - [info]nanne - Aug. 21st, 2006 08:22 pm (UTC) Expand
[info]xiphias wrote:
Aug. 21st, 2006 08:15 pm (UTC)
I think you should mail a copy of your grade, and a copy of your awards, to your creative writing teachers, with the note, "SUCK ON THIS, JERKS!!"
[info]matociquala wrote:
Aug. 21st, 2006 08:17 pm (UTC)
But that would be petty.

This is, er. Inspirational.

Yeah.

Inspirational.
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[info]st_crispins wrote:
Aug. 21st, 2006 08:17 pm (UTC)
I didn't fail but the two times I took Creative Writing, my instructors scratched their heads and said, "Gee, that's good but why do you want to write something else?"

I was never taught anything practical by either Creative Writing or English teachers. Everything I know came from Journalism and Communication instructors and real life experience (the best teacher of all).
[info]matociquala wrote:
Aug. 21st, 2006 08:19 pm (UTC)
*g* I learned a lot in lit classes, nothing at all useful in critical theory classes. And a metric ton in anth.

So, yeah. What you said, more or less.
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[info]stillsostrange wrote:
Aug. 21st, 2006 08:22 pm (UTC)
I aced both CWs in college, but with little notes from the prof warning me against wasting my talent on fantasy. But having to write a story from scratch the night before it was due was probably useful.
[info]onalark wrote:
Aug. 21st, 2006 08:23 pm (UTC)
Flipside to this: I did not fail creative writing, but in my senior year of H.S. I took it because I figured writing for a grade would be an awesome relief from my college-level history and english classes.

I had up to this point been very, very careful not to tell my teachers that I was a published writer because a) I hated the attention and b) I wanted to be evaluated by my works rather than my reputation.

Well, someone (not me) told my creative writing teacher that I had a handful of short stories published. Also, they were sold to an anthology she herself had tried to sell to, to an author she adored.

In addition to repeatedly singling me out in front of the other students, at one point she gave me a "C" on a story I wrote with great love and devotion, with the appended note, "This was excellent for an average student, but I expected more from you, Stephanie."

All this reminds me that while I was admitted into the A.P. English Lit classes, I failed the A.P. English Writing test. Also, I got graded down for referring to "manunkind" in a Chemistry paper. I thought I was being clever and witty; it never occurred to me that my Chemistry teachers might not have heard much of e.e. cummings.
[info]naomikritzer wrote:
Aug. 21st, 2006 10:25 pm (UTC)
Oh my GOD.

That's (a) apalling and yet (b) hilarious. I hope it's as funny to you in retrospect as it is to me. What a petty, pathetic woman.
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[info]coffeeem wrote:
Aug. 21st, 2006 08:25 pm (UTC)
Oh, man, now I want to post on the Important Crossroads of My Writerly Education. Stop me before I manifest my inner Total Git.
[info]coffeeem wrote:
Aug. 21st, 2006 08:27 pm (UTC)
Aggh--that was not a comment on your post, but on the post I was formulating in my head for my journal. You are not manifesting Gitdom.
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[info]antonstrout wrote:
Aug. 21st, 2006 08:28 pm (UTC)
So really there was no way to go but up!
[info]silme wrote:
Aug. 21st, 2006 08:29 pm (UTC)
Didn't Harlan Ellison send copies of his published works to his despised creating writing teacher until the man's widow implored him to stop? :)

[info]nephele wrote:
Aug. 21st, 2006 08:29 pm (UTC)
Huh. I'm not sure you should be able to actually fail a creative writing class, short of not handing anything in at all.
[info]matociquala wrote:
Aug. 21st, 2006 08:30 pm (UTC)
One teacher didn't understand a thing I handed in, and the other wanted me to be a Black Womyn Poet. (I can manage one of those things.)
[info]khriskin wrote:
Aug. 21st, 2006 08:32 pm (UTC)
*laughs* That gives me hope! I only failed it once though, so apparently I've got some catching up to do. Oh, wait... does a C in Playwriting count? ^_~
[info]jonquil wrote:
Aug. 21st, 2006 08:38 pm (UTC)
One of the many reasons we love you.
[info]blubeagle wrote:
Aug. 21st, 2006 08:53 pm (UTC)
I too, failed creative writing, repeatedly. They said I didn't try, but me, I prefer to think of it as they didn't challenge me enough with what I wrote. The one piece I wrote that my teacher did like, was a short story about a girl coming to terms with the death of her grandfather.

It earned me a B. In another fit of creativity, the class was given an abstract picture and we were supposed to dissect it, seeing the images inside of it. Most people got maybe half a page to a page, but me, I got three pages worth of images.

I got a standing ovation. Question: if I'm supposedly so creative, why am I not published, yet?*

unpublished writer's wank. Think nothing of it.*
[info]desperance wrote:
Aug. 21st, 2006 08:54 pm (UTC)
Would that I had had the chance to fail...! I was at school/college so long ago, they hadn't invented Creative Writing as a thing to be taught (not here in the UK, at least).

As carbon-dating evidence, I learned typesetting with proper loose lead type, setting it up in formes and rolling ink all over it. 'Computer' meant a thing the size of a school hall, that did simple arithmetic on its fingers, and there was one, count 'em one, in all of Oxford...
[info]matociquala wrote:
Aug. 21st, 2006 08:57 pm (UTC)
*g* I have a piece of lead type on my talisman shelf. It's an uppercase U, about 24 point, in a serif Roman type.

I found it on the street.
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[info]rolanni wrote:
Aug. 21st, 2006 08:59 pm (UTC)
Well, I didn't fail Creative Writing. But I did fail tenth grade English.

Understanding that I was in oh-so-much-trouble, I grabbed my bank book and hotfooted three miles to the bank, where I tried to draw out the funds with the intention of buying a bus ticket to, oh, Alpha Centauri. Alas, the cashier insisted that my father needed to countersign any withdrawals, which meant that I was in for a Very Bad Time, and I was, even though it's true that...

...tenth grade English, much like Creative Writing, Actually Has Very Little To Do With Actually Doing It.

[info]matociquala wrote:
Aug. 21st, 2006 09:00 pm (UTC)
eee.

We can hide in the treehouse together.
[info]beth_bernobich wrote:
Aug. 21st, 2006 09:03 pm (UTC)
I avoided Creative Writing. Less trouble that way. :)
[info]meallanmouse wrote:
Aug. 21st, 2006 09:07 pm (UTC)
I'm in a Creative Writing Program at the moment (part time, as I work full time... writing!) but I'm not seeing that as the ultimate in "how to write" at all... it's more of a fun exercise. I take what I want, leave the rest without much concern, and learn as much as I can along the way. Which, ok, makes it much more of an exercise in adapting the program to me than the other way around, but hey, the teachers don't need to know that's my approach. (And this term/year, I took the Shakespeare option from my lit class requirements. Heh.)
[info]muneraven wrote:
Aug. 22nd, 2006 07:50 pm (UTC)
Creative writing classes
I was lucky. I had good creative writing teachers. I won't say I didn't have to compromise to get decent grades, but I didn't feel it hurt me at all to write literary-style instead of speculative-style, since I was SO bad that any sort of practice was going to help, no matter what.

I had teachers who introduced me to so many good books and interesting writers . . .I loved that.

[info]sartorias wrote:
Aug. 21st, 2006 09:25 pm (UTC)
So that's why you're so good.
[info]shawn_scarber wrote:
Aug. 21st, 2006 09:44 pm (UTC)
I knew there was a good reason I really like your schtuff.
[info]naomikritzer wrote:
Aug. 21st, 2006 10:34 pm (UTC)
I took it twice as well, once in high school and once in college.

My original high school creative writing teacher fell ill in September and actually died the following January. The random sub who became the long-term replacement was trained as an English teacher, I think, but had never taught creative writing before. Her assignments were very open-ended ("write a short story about something and hand it in") and she thought I was BRILLIANT. Naturally, I loved her, too. I mean, who wouldn't? :g:

In college, the CW teacher loathed me. I passed, however; the class was graded S/Cr/NC (Satisfactory, Credit, No Credit) and I got an S, which was the usual grade for someone who'd handed in all the assignments. Again, the assignments were open-ended. I felt rather stifled, though, as he made it clear he had nothing but contempt for SF/F. (I handed in stories that stayed just barely on the "mainstream" side of the line. I didn't see the point of handing in stuff that was obviously SF just so everyone could complain that they didn't like genre stuff; I wanted halfway useful feedback from my peers, if not from the teacher.)
[info]misia wrote:
Aug. 21st, 2006 11:07 pm (UTC)
I wasn't allowed to take Creative Writing in junior high because I wasn't good enough at writing five-paragraph essays. My English teacher was the Creative Writing teacher and he said, when I asked him to sign off on my registration slip for Creative Writing, that I lacked a sense of structure and that if I hadn't managed to learn how to write a coherent five-paragraph essay I wasn't going to be able to write a story so I might as well go do something that I could succeed at, like maybe take the Garment Sewing class that the Home Ec teacher was teaching.

I took Machine Shop.
[info]misia wrote:
Aug. 21st, 2006 11:09 pm (UTC)
I should add that in my opinion, learning how to operate a drill press, use a radial arm saw, and rivet sheet metal has proven a lot more useful to me as a writer than learning the Approved Byron Junior High School Five Paragraph Essay Format.
(no subject) - [info]matociquala - Aug. 21st, 2006 11:17 pm (UTC) Expand
[info]autopope wrote:
Aug. 21st, 2006 11:20 pm (UTC)
I came out of the English educational system before they had "Creative Writing" too. I did manage to score A's at "O" level in both English Literature and English Language, but then I dropped 'em to specialize in sciences at "A" level (you couldn't really mix'n'match arts and science subjects if you wanted to go to university back in the late 70s/early 80s).

It was, however, a creative writing assignment that really got me started on fiction, back when I was 12. An English teacher decided it'd be a good idea one term to get my class to write a story -- but not just the usual 4 or 8 pages: we were to fill a whole exercise book, and take a couple of hours a week for the entire term. Of my class of about 30, half failed to finish the assignment, but three individuals filled not one, but two exercise books. Guess which section I was in ...
[info]matociquala wrote:
Aug. 21st, 2006 11:22 pm (UTC)
It's a dread disease we have.
[info]cmpriest wrote:
Aug. 21st, 2006 11:32 pm (UTC)
[:: shakes your hand ::]

I failed the fiction portion of the comprehensive exams I had to take in order to complete my M.A. in Writing. But I only failed it once; I passed it the second time.

So you win. :)
[info]thesaucernews wrote:
Aug. 22nd, 2006 12:18 am (UTC)
I aced last semester's creative writing course and I barely showed up... not that it's done me any good in terms of actual marketable writing, apart from an overemphasis on baroque prose and glittery description. Being able to shine up a turd doesn't mean you've produced a sapphire.

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