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Hey, Harlan?

This is so not okay.

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Do you? The thought makes me feel...wistful. It would be nice to think that this wasn't going to be Another Horrible Harlan Annecdote, that somehow this one would be different, this one wouldn't become just part of his image before the month is out, another piece of the persona he gets press out of.

I suppose only time will tell. But I keep hearing things that boil down to, "Yep, Harlan Ellison is a very nasty man. Why, one time he--" instead of, "Having assaulted a writer at the Hugos, Harlan Ellison will be asked to--" or "--will no longer be--" or "--is now being considered--"

I hope you're right.
The people I know who are upset about this -- myself very much included -- see it as an outrageous example of something that we have seen happen far too often. We can discuss it openly because it's a (finally) public example of something we have all seen far too much of in vaguely-public settings in the field. It needs to stop, and that's what I hear people saying. (The people I'm listening to anyway.)

I could care less about Harlan Ellison, personally. His character is well-established and the Ellison apologists can have him. In this instance, if he can be said to represent something, to me it is SF's past, the history of letting Revered Male Writers get away with whatever they like, and often with an affectionate response. ("That INSERT DIRTY OLD NAME HERE! What a card!")
We can discuss it openly because it's a (finally) public example of something we have all seen far too much of in vaguely-public settings in the field.

I wonder if part of the reason that fandom feels it can be so open in discussing this is because the first public account publically condemning it came from a male -- pnh?

I realize this is pure supposition, but if the first voice out of the gate had been female (or had been less notable), I wonder whether the responses would've shown as much consensus.
I think it's more that Patrick is credible.
Fair enough. I had a moment of doubt while reading the thread (which is what led to my comment), but your certainty is reassuring.
Well, sure.

I don't think there's anything at all wrong with using the sympathetic person in a (relative) 'position of power' (societal power, I mean) to help make and enforce change. That's pretty common, really, in issues of race and sexism and other charged situations.

It's sometimes frustrating, but on the other hand, as I say, I'm all for using all the tactics at our disposal.