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[info]mizkit talks about her cover art experiences here. [info]autopope talks about his, here.

With my Bantam covers, I generally get to hear a concept description, and I see them either when they show up on Amazon or a little bit before. (Or, if I am clever and tricky and a good stalker, sometimes I can find the preliminary sketches on the artist's website beforehand.) I have already heard a description of the proposed cover for Undertow, and it sounds very cool; it is to be the frog boygirl lurking among paramangrove roots, ripples of distortion radiating out across one half of the image.

Perfect, in ways I cannot begin to express.

Also, I love the cover for Carnival. I would marry it, but that's illegal in this state. No idea if it will sell books, mind you, but I want to kiss it and call it George.

The Jenny covers don't do much for me on an aesthetic level (although I love the incredibly preppy color scheme: surely, these are the most garish not-really-cyberpunk novels since Thomas T. Thomas's Crygender [you can't see it in that image, but the spine and back cover are SCREAMING DEATH PINK, just as bright as the Jenny covers and in a much hotter color value)]but man, do those covers move books off the shelves, which is a total win.

The Ace covers, while I don't have any control over, I am at least expected to send photo references to be summarily ignored, and consulted as to what's on the cover. And generally get the concept described to me and then am shown preliminary designs. About which I sometimes whine and thrash.

And then I wind up with awesome cover art. Or, at least, I think the cover art for B&I is awesome (I have extracted an apology about the mullet, but, you know. What's a mullet between friends?) And I've seen preliminary cover art for Whiskey & Water, which looks quite promising. The characters look nothing like their book counterparts, but since the book counterparts are intended to not look as you'd expect, and the art department wants the book buying public to know that that's Lucifer and not J. Random Angel, I was argued down off the roof.

(My protests that J. Random Angel is unlikely to be perched upon a throne of human skulls fell upon deaf ears.)

My cover from Night Shade--easily my favorite--is actually existing art. [info]jlassen asked me how I felt about Samuel Bak and sent me some images. I said "I feel very good about him," and the next time I looked up there was this gorgeous cover sitting in my email.

Night Shade may have the best covers in the business currently. Lush, opulent, whimsical. The sort of thing that makes you want to pick up this object of beauty and cradle it lovingly. Or face it out on a shelf. The ones for [info]jlake's Trial of Flowers and [info]mevennen's Snake Agent are practically worth the price of a book their own selves.

Lickable covers. A little-known marketing strategy.

As for Subterranean and Tor, I haven't gotten far along in the process with them to see cover art--beyond that for Subterranean 5, and I think you all probably have clean ears from my squeals of delight over the Tim Truman cover art on that one.



[info][info]oursin talks wisely about why she's not joining in the "I Support Gay Rights" meme. I'm not joining in it because if you haven't figured out that I support queer rights (by which I mean, bisexual, gay, lesbian, transgendered, polyamorous, straight-but-not-narrow, kinktastic, leather-daddy, flannel-dyke, asexual, however the hell you define yourself as long as everybody involved is of legal age and reasonable mental competence) you haven't been paying attention.

Just standing up and saying, "I support [X] rights" is nice and all. Visibility is important. Refusal to be marginalized is important. Refusal to be classified is just as important. Hell, if you support gay rights, next time you're out at Denny's, sit uncomfortably close to your same-gender friends and watch people stare. Show up in obvious trios of whatever plumbing and smooch each other when the waitress isn't looking.

People hate it when you kick them in the binaries. Even if you're not queer, hold hands in public. Make a nuisance of yourself.

Now go vote.


 

Comments

[info]oursin wrote:
Oct. 3rd, 2006 02:38 pm (UTC)
*Smooch*
[info]matociquala wrote:
Oct. 3rd, 2006 02:41 pm (UTC)
Who knew these icons would come in so handy?
[info]fidelioscabinet wrote:
Oct. 3rd, 2006 02:39 pm (UTC)
Hey, any fule kno angels sit on piles of skulls all the time. It's what they do.

BTW, the cover art on The Chains that You Refuse is gaw-juss, positively gaw-juss.
[info]mevennen wrote:
Oct. 3rd, 2006 03:11 pm (UTC)
I am beyond pleased with Night Shade. Not only are they lovely, they also reflect the contents of the book.
[info]painfully_aware wrote:
Oct. 3rd, 2006 04:04 pm (UTC)
Coincidentally, I picked up The Chains That You Refuse and Snake Agent in Waterstone's just this week, and part of the reason I couldn't resist was seeing those amazing cover designs.
[info]matociquala wrote:
Oct. 3rd, 2006 04:51 pm (UTC)
SCORE!

ahem.

*g*
[info]mevennen wrote:
Oct. 3rd, 2006 08:36 pm (UTC)
S'allright. Know how you feel.

Thank you for buying my book, BTW! :-) I hope it lives up to its cover!
[info]juliansinger wrote:
Oct. 3rd, 2006 04:17 pm (UTC)
The Jenny Casey covers are great and all, except for that 'lack of head' thing.
[info]pecunium wrote:
Oct. 3rd, 2006 04:39 pm (UTC)
I found the coercive nature of it slimy (the parallel I saw was, "If you loved me, you'd do it").

What I also got was ripped into for saying that. For finding the coercive aspect of it less than acceptable, I was told to grow up, called stupid; informed that I was refusing to admit a truth because I didn't like the teller, and informed that I was being a hypocrite, because I had things I'd publically said were moral to do/not do (never mind that I never said that anyone who wouldn't promise; in advance to not do them was morally deficient).

That this happened in a place where such coercions, in other aspects of life, are routinely condemned, was, sadly, not unexpected.

Fortunately I was able to weather the storm.

TK
[info]matociquala wrote:
Oct. 3rd, 2006 04:40 pm (UTC)
Yes. I am not down with bullying.
[info]pecunium wrote:
Oct. 3rd, 2006 04:49 pm (UTC)
What bothered me most about the responses I got, was that these are people who are (so they say) against bullying; but I wasn't supposed to care. I was supposed to think, "oh, well if I don't do it, no one will know that I "don't care about gay rights."

Which is bullshit. Bullying is wrong. Yes, my choosing to explain why I was refusing to do this was a censure (I could have been less direct with it; though I didn't accuse any of the people who did it {and I did say the same thing to everyone on my f-list who posted it} and just made a speech on my Lj), but such things are reasonable.

What really bothered me wasn't the people who abused me. I expected that; it's not a place for the thin-skinned to speak out, but that all of those who responded told me, more or less, to get over it, and accept that such bullying be accepted/ignored.

And all I can see is that because it was in a good cause, the means could be ignored.

TK
[info]akirlu wrote:
Oct. 3rd, 2006 04:58 pm (UTC)
Psst. They don't recognize, or won't admit, that what you're objecting to is the bullying.
[info]pecunium wrote:
Oct. 3rd, 2006 05:02 pm (UTC)
At this point, those who were taking me task are, I think, just refusing to admit. Well, Mr. Anonymous, he might just not get it.

Lord, save me from the "Pure of Heart".

It is about what I expected from the crowd, but I wasn't (and I know your opinion) speaking to the crowd, that was just a lagniappe.

TK
[info]akirlu wrote:
Oct. 3rd, 2006 04:48 pm (UTC)
That is the game that particular crowd likes to play. It's all about the Queen Bee's ego, not about doing anything real. Can't say I didn't warn you, tho.
[info]cpolk wrote:
Oct. 3rd, 2006 05:22 pm (UTC)
...between you and Bear, I now know why my reaction to that particular meme was "no, I won't do that." Which puzzled me, but I went with my gut reaction anyway.

Thanks.
[info]fidelioscabinet wrote:
Oct. 3rd, 2006 06:50 pm (UTC)
I'm over memes. I'll vote no on Proposition One (The propostion in Tennessee to make the marriage-is-between-one-man-and-one-woman thing a part of the state constitution) on Election Day instead.
[info]glinda_w wrote:
Oct. 3rd, 2006 06:09 pm (UTC)
People hate it when you kick them in the binaries. Even if you're not queer, hold hands in public. Make a nuisance of yourself.

May I submit that to [info]metaquotes, please?

And I'm with you on the whole not posting that thing about support that's going around; previous commenters articulated my objections for me - passive-aggressive bullying, basically.
[info]matociquala wrote:
Oct. 3rd, 2006 06:11 pm (UTC)
You certainly may. *g*
[info]glinda_w wrote:
Oct. 3rd, 2006 06:31 pm (UTC)
done. :)
[info]tamnonlinear wrote:
Oct. 3rd, 2006 06:49 pm (UTC)
sit uncomfortably close to your same-gender friends and watch people stare.

Uncomfortably close by whose standards? My friends are a friendly group. *grin*

Am I immature for responding to this suggest in general with a "woo hoo!"? I need a little more woo hoo. So does the world in general.

I'm currently going with "straight, mostly" for myself.
[info]matociquala wrote:
Oct. 3rd, 2006 06:57 pm (UTC)
By the standards of the bad guys. of course. *g*
[info]aelindil wrote:
Oct. 3rd, 2006 07:21 pm (UTC)
Followed you through [info]metaquotes.

Just standing up and saying, "I support [X] rights" is nice and all. Visibility is important. Refusal to be marginalized is important. Refusal to be classified is just as important. Hell, if you support gay rights, next time you're out at Denny's, sit uncomfortably close to your same-gender friends and watch people stare. Show up in obvious trios of whatever plumbing and smooch each other when the waitress isn't looking.

People hate it when you kick them in the binaries. Even if you're not queer, hold hands in public. Make a nuisance of yourself.


May I have permission to quote you in my own journal? I find this very apt.
[info]matociquala wrote:
Oct. 3rd, 2006 07:22 pm (UTC)
absolutely. Nice to meet you.
[info]blackcoat wrote:
Oct. 3rd, 2006 10:02 pm (UTC)
Slightly off topic, but...what sort of urgency is that icon meant to display? I mean, it's not *scary*, and you don't seem to use it when people are being rude...I'm confused...
[info]matociquala wrote:
Oct. 3rd, 2006 10:04 pm (UTC)
context
[info]st_crispins wrote:
Oct. 3rd, 2006 07:52 pm (UTC)
I didn't care for the 'opt out' strategy but I did comment anyway. You never know who's reading.

Hell, if you support gay rights, next time you're out at Denny's, sit uncomfortably close to your same-gender friends and watch people stare. Show up in obvious trios of whatever plumbing and smooch each other when the waitress isn't looking.

Call me old fashioned but I don't smooch my husband in public and I'm not too keen when het couples are all over each other at Denny's either. And the kids already sit uncomfortably close and grab each other, and they do it because they think gay is gross and it's fun to gross out the adults.






[info]blackcoat wrote:
Oct. 3rd, 2006 09:58 pm (UTC)
Once, during Gay Pride week, I was in San Fransisco, riding on BART, hiding from everyone behind my leather and shades. A couple of queens got on, either just a little high, or just on the far side of tipsy, and totally feeling the energy of the weekend, and the parade, and a city full of people who didn't hate them because of who they loved.
The taller of the two walked up to me, looked right at his reflection in my glasses and said to me, "Dude, you need to lighten up. It's pride week! Wear some color! Or are you a queer-hater, too?"
Now, I dislike people violating my personal space, and even more on public transit, so I reached up, grabbed the lapels of his rayon clubshirt, twisted my hands to tighten it across his shoulders...
And pulled him down to kiss him, right on the lips. With tounge. I then let him go, grabbed his rainbow lei, pulled it off over his head, dropped it over mine, and walked off to another car, leaving him gobsmacked and confused behind me.
[info]matociquala wrote:
Oct. 3rd, 2006 10:02 pm (UTC)
*snrch*

Don't fuck with the Goths, man. We wouldn't dress like that if we didn't have a sense of humor.
[info]summerkins wrote:
Oct. 4th, 2006 01:42 am (UTC)
here from [info]metaquotes

My friend and i went to the local mall and were holding hands. Note the fact that we are in fact, both female. It was entertaining to see how many double takes/nasty looks we got as we were walking.
[info]matociquala wrote:
Oct. 4th, 2006 01:44 am (UTC)
Nice to meet you!

Sometimes you get winks, too. *g* That's better....
[info]summerkins wrote:
Oct. 4th, 2006 01:59 am (UTC)
Lmao i don't know if we got any of those. But it was a fun time anyway.

it probably dosent help we were calling each other 'babe' and 'sweetie' but then that's what we do anyway. Maybe it's the all girls college thing XD
[info]dolmena wrote:
Oct. 6th, 2006 06:19 pm (UTC)
My sister and I used to hold hands in public just to freak people.
[info]summerkins wrote:
Oct. 6th, 2006 11:47 pm (UTC)
Its alot of fun isnt it?
[info]dolmena wrote:
Oct. 11th, 2006 04:19 am (UTC)
Yep
[info]dolmena wrote:
Oct. 6th, 2006 06:18 pm (UTC)
People hate it when you kick them in the binaries. Even if you're not queer, hold hands in public. Make a nuisance of yourself.

Thank you.
[info]matociquala wrote:
Oct. 6th, 2006 06:19 pm (UTC)
You're welcome.

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