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December 2021



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for forty days and forty nights--

So, reports of flooding or incipient flooding throughout the state, the rivers already high, and another three days of rain and possible snow forecast.

Gives "swamp yankee"* a whole new meaning, doesn't it?

*New Englanders divide themselves into two groups: swamp yankees** (Southern New Englanders) and hill yankees (Northern New Englanders). That is to say, when we can get the hill yankees to admit that swamp yankees exist at all.***

**In the rest of the world, a Yankee is somebody from the USA. In the USA, a Yankee is somebody from north of the Mason-Dixon line (what George Carlin calls the Manson-Nixon line). In the North, a Yankee is somebody from the Northeast. In the Northeast, a Yankee is somebody from the six New England states: Maine, Vermont, New Hampshire, Massachusetts, Connecticut, and Rhode Island.

In the six New England states, a yankee is somebody who eats pie for breakfast.****

***But they can bite me, because we have Mark Twain in our corner.********

****Apple pie.****** With a slice of sharp white cheddar.*****

*****Pronounced ch'duh.

******Or sometimes peach or strawberry rhubarb. But that's cheating, and you don't get cheese with that.

*******Because we think it's funny to adopt ditties that the brits made up to mock us as self-identifiers, yes. Yankees are also deeply ironical.

And now that tea is made, I really need to settle in and get some work done.


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"Swamp Yankees" are actually New Yorkers with a long commute.
Oh, yes.


The... 23rd state, was it? Formerly known as the Massachusetts Territory? Came into the union as a component of Missouri Compromise, as I recall.

...your head, sir? ;-)

In the six New England states, a yankee is somebody who eats pie for breakfast.

There are people who don't?

*mmmm. cheddah.*
Growing up, one of my favorite treats was being allowed leftover apple pie for breakfast. I had no idea it was a Yankee thing (my mother was Boston Irish), I thought it was a my family thing because no one I know outside my family likes to eat pie for breakfast. It's awfully good, though. Mmmmmm, pie.
>*****Pronounced ch'duh.

'chedduh', if you're a Brit. I live 6 miles from the original Chedder and can you get decent cheese there? Can you buggery. Although it is still possible to get the stuff that makes the inside of your mouth peel off like old wallpaper, this is sadly becoming increasingly rare.
I have not liked the "authentic" cheddar I've tried.

Vermont cheddar, though, is of the gods. I once saw a Yorkshirewoman draw a knife to get the last piece....
oh lord yes, leftover apple pie, made with *tart* apples and not too much sugar, and yellow extra-sharp cheddar. (I grew up in upstate NY; both of my parents were from mid-to-northern Pennsylvania, though my mother's cooking was also strongly influenced by a Pennslyvania Dutch woman with whom she lived for several years after high school.)
You can be an honorary near-yankee with that, I think.

I need to make a pie.
Swamp yankees...lord, I haven't heard that phrase in years.

The years I was in Maine, I was also told that Maine begins in Bangor, and everything south is a part of Massachusetts.

Apple pie for breakfast...drool.

Thanks for the reminders.
Maine was a part of Massachusetts until 1820.

*whispers* I think they're still a little oversensitive about being the kid in the family.
The punchline I've heard was "to a Vermonter, a yankee is someone who eats pie for breakfast" or something along those lines.
I think the strawberry-rhubarb pies should get a pass, IF they're made with local ingredients*, because the window for both of those up there is about the size of a kitchen matchbox.
I had a discussion with my sister over the whole pie for breakfast issue, and succeeded in making her admit that pie has more fruit that most pastries normally consumed at breakfast, and so could be considered more healthy, for certain values of healthy.

*Especially those tiny little strawberries, MMMmmmmmm!

you are allowed mince pie on holidays.
And pumpkin. But that's not really breakfast.

I might make a pumpkin pudding later, though.
Huh. I've lived in MA all my life and my mother's family is from Boston (Brighton) although she was a Marine kid so she lived all over the place. I thought everyone ate pie for breakfast if they could. Apple pie with cheddar cheese is yummy, but we tend to have squash pie with soft sauce (which was intended for the plum pudding) for breakfast the day or so after Thanksgiving.

What about the thing where Vermonters call pretty much all the tourists and non-natives "flatlanders"?

but I say it so you will hear the other half....


Sorry, kicked in the quote completing reflex.

Apparently, pie for breakfast is as northern as saying "watuh."

Those other people are weird....

Now I wish I had some apple pie.
In the USA, a Yankee is somebody from north of the Mason-Dixon line (what George Carlin calls the Manson-Nixon line).

Actually in the south, we tend to refer to ya'll (note use of regional speech form) as "Godless Heathens", "Carpetbaggers", or "Thems that just don't know good eatin'".

Just a point of clarification. ;-)
Can't be a carpetbagger unless you move to the south.

Or, as my father once explained, they're only "Damn Yankees" if they plan to stay.

(My grandmother was from Alabama and my dad lives in North Carolina. There's a Tennessee connection too.)
Re: ** In my part of the North, a yankee is either a historical artifact, or a baseball player, or (if you do a lot of traveling) a northerner or an American--US vs. international--though, usually those would be rendered as damnyankee, or yank.
Now, my family always considered pie an appropriate breakfast food, and we have no New England background at all (it's all Michigan, Latvia, and the Netherlands). But the pie-eating can't be a Michigander thing, because my equally Michiganian husband was aghast the morning after the first Thanksgiving he spent with us, when we all tore into the leftover pie.

Fifteen years later, he eats pie for breakfast now, too, bitching all the while that it's just a defensive manuever -- if he doesn't grab it at breakfast, there won't be any left at lunch, which is when CIVILIZED people would eat it.
Maybe it's the Netherlands part. I'm here for a year, and we eat pie (or appelflappen (= apple turnovers) for breakfast all the time here. I don't know if actual Dutch people do; the reason we do is that thay have *good* pie here.
Ooo. I have most of a bag of apples, and flour, and it's not Passover any more. And I've got Cabot cheddar, too.

Unfortunately by the time it's done it won't be breakfast time any more. *Pouts.*

I guess I could eat it for lunch ...
But tomorrow it will still be there. *g*
So, that's apple pie, with a slice of cheddar, for breakfast? That's three food groups there—dairy, bread, and fruit.
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