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March 2017



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Today is Blog Against Torture day

Well, duh.

Okay, let me unpack that a little.

As a torture survivor (and if you don't think child abuse is a form of torture, come here. I'd like to show you a few things.) I am here to tell you that torture works just fine--if what you are after is to get the person you are torturing to tell you whatever the hell they think you want to hear to make the hurting stop.

If you actually want to know something useful, not so much.

Also, it's an evil act.

Remember evil? We used to have evil.

We were against it.


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Yes, on all counts.
Q: How do you get to be the good guys?
A: By doing good things.
Q: How do you get to be the bad guys?
A: By doing bad things.
What you said.
Agree entirely, which is why I am a member of Amnesty International and Liberty.
See, I would happily participate in this Day, but every time I think about the fact that it's even necessary to point out that torture is bad, I hear this weird humming noise in my brain and then wake up with blood leaking from my eyes. Damned if I know why....
My father was a veteran of World War II, and his unit had occupation duty after the Germans surrendered.

They managed Dachau as a Displaced Persons camp.

I am kind of glad he's dead, because seeing what's going on would be bad for his blood pressure, to say the least.
Amen dat.
Thank you. I don't understand why people are willing to use torture when it is both wrong, morally and ethically, and doesn't work. Although once you've started, it's easier to keep going than admit the wrong and change.
Without going into too much detail, hurting people is very satisfying. That doesn't mean it isn't wrong, just that it's understandable (which is not, I'd like to remind people, a synonym for 'less bad'). When you have social approval out the ass and enough misdirected confusion and anger, hurting other people is an excellent (if vile) outlet.

Since they are, for the most part, incompetent and stupid, the people prosecuting this shady little war are looking for some raw animal satisfaction and torture is how they're getting it.
It just... it boggles my mind. I cannot for the life of me understand why so many Americans think that torture is OK just because they're the ones perpetrating it. What the hell happened to the world I grew up in (and I'm only 31, for Christ's sake!) where Americans were the ones horrified by the evil regimes out there that use torture?
well, approval rate for Bush is pretty low, so I'm pretty sure there are millions of Americans who are horrified that we've used torture. I certainly haven't seen any polls that suggest there's a base of support for it. Have you?
There is always hope. To quote one victim of torture (Niccolò Machiavelli): 'In republics there is more vitality, greater hatred, and more desire for vengeance, which will never permit them to allow the memory of their former liberty to rest.' Let us hope that he did have the right of it.
Not just tell you what you want to hear, but want desperately to agree with you that whatever it is is true - to convince you the worldview is shared.


I concur.
I don't like being broken and I don't want other people to be broken. We, humanity as a whole, could be so much better than this . . .

If you're a pragmatist, you should be against torture on the grounds that it doesn't work.

And if you're any sort of moral human being, you should be against it on the grounds that it's utterly and completely evil.
Good? Evil? There used to be some stories called "Bible," "Qur'an," and "Aesop's Fables" that talked about that kind of stuff, but they were so outdated that the current administration traded them for "The Prince."
See above comments about how religious people are actually more in favor of torture than secular people. It was the Church, not the State, that burned people for heresy and witchcraft, because hey, who cares what we do to your mortal body if it saves your immortal soul?


There are far too many people who do not understand that the moral high ground holds vast strategic importance.
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