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She ain't exactly pretty; ain't exactly small--

It's still pop culture week here in weird brain of Elizabeth Bear:

Was driving into work this morning with the classic rock station cranked up, as is my wont, because it wouldn't do to drift off into early-morning oblivion and drive into a bus going the wrong way around what Southern Nevada laughably considers a rotary,and I was singing along to AC/DC at the top of my lungs, and it hit me.

Right between the eyes.

Like a dead fish.

They sound a little quaint and mellow these days, don't they? Good blues band. Not too edgy. Not real loud.


I wonder what our great grandkids are going to be listening to when Nine Inch Nails and Pantera are the soundtrack for the nursing home and elevator music set.


You know, I've had that same thought before. When I was in high school, I couldn't stand any sort of "hard rock" (AC/DC was right out--I considered Def Leppard and Bon Jovi almost too hard to listen to). It's only now that I'm in my 30s that Nine Inch Nails seems really cool and AC/DC qualifies as "quaint". My tastes seem to be getting progressively harder as I get older.

I don't worry about what the kids are going to be listening to fifty years from now. I worry about what I'm going to be listening to.
Whatever's good, or course.

I figure if they stopped recording music today, I could still probably spend the rest of my life happy. Hell, I might even catch up!

What's particularly interesting for me...

Is what reaction my (future) kids are going to have. Like your other commenter, my musical tastes have kind of gotten heavier over the years--Journey to Queensryche to Anthrax and Iron Maiden(hah!) has shifted to Tool and Thursday (well, in addition to mellower stuff; I've got a definite girl-side that gets off big-time on Tori).

Back to the kids. Teens seek rebellion. When I'm fifty and have a 300-watt speaker system in my car blasting whatever's next, it's going to make my kids think I'm very strange. Are they going to go heavier--into the gobble-mouthed screamfests that I've -never- been able to tolerate--or are they going to become big Sinatra fans?

Re: What's particularly interesting for me...

*snrk* love your icon, Jon.

Mozart. I bet it's gonna be Mozart.

The good news is, I can still offend people with Frank Zappa, so all is not lost.
Pink Floyd is already showing up as supermarket Muzak. The Clash's "London Calling" is in a commercial for some British motorcar. (Jaguar?). NPR used Eminem's "Rock Bottom" as the ED for a "This American Life" segment the other day. Wait a minute, I thought Eminem was a racist homophobe?

Edgy, transgressive (sorry, I've been marinating in the postmodernism discussion on the ML) outsider culture approaches 'normal' culture ever more closely, ever more quickly. The age is grown so picked that the toe of the peasant comes so near the heel of the courtier, he galls his kibe.

IOW, I wonder if our kids will be listening to stuff not that different from what we're listening too. And if high culture and low culture, which have been drawing apart since the Romantic era, are beginning to come together again. And whether the drastic, revolutionary, generational shift in popular music that occurred when rock and roll superseded swing, may have been a unique event, not to be repeated.

I stand in my shoes and I wonder.

i also wonder whether i will ever learn that 'occurred' has two r's without the help of a spellchecker
I think it becomes more obvious that the transgression lies in the refusal to submit to authority.... and we seem to live in an era where the 'adults' (that would be us, god help us) have less invested in authority than ever before.

If anything, I feel more screwed over by the system now than I ever did as a kid.

My current steeping in 1960's pop culture is also really shofting my perspectives, because I can see now what the actors/ producers/musicians/what have you were doing that was transgressive and questioning and envelope-pushing *then*--and it doesn't look like much now, but in its own era it was perhaps more risky. Because it's often *politically* risky, as opposed to sexually/culturally risky ("racy"/risque), which is what we tend to get now.

I think maybe we've distracted ourselves from hard questions with Janet Jackson's boob.
How about "I Wanna Be Sedated" for Zoloft's unhappy bouncy ball?


Maybe not. *g*
Oh. My. God.
I had to call the entire office over to watch that. Just so you know.
You mean AC/DC used to be considered edgy and loud? I always thought of them as happy and silly. Same for the Clash.
AC/DC and The Clash were the bands my parents wouldn't have let me listen to, if my parents weren't exceedingly liberal hippie types. Listening to AC/DC supposedly made you worship Satan and kill yourself. Black Sabbath, too.

Oddly enough, Alice Cooper still comes across as a little twisted. I guess he really *was* pushing the envelope.

Led Zeppelin, Jethro Tull, The Rolling Stones before that--and back in the dim mists of history, Elvis and the Beatles were considered a little questionable. Beatles and Monkees songs were banned for sexual content in various places.

*g* Ah, the weight of history.

As an aside, I misspoke in placing The Clash and AC/DC in the same category -- with The Clash I know they were objected to by parental types, and I can even see why. It's just that ever since '90s pop-punk, well, they sound to me like '90s pop-punk.
I wonder what our great grandkids are going to be listening to when Nine Inch Nails and Pantera are the soundtrack for the nursing home and elevator music set.

Frank Sinatra :p ROFL
Some of us already have Ol' Blue Eyes in our collection. On the shelf right next to Godsmack.
Yup, me too ;)
I only have his duet with Elvis, but I was never a big Frank fan.

On the other hand, I have got Emmy Lou, and I play her a hell of a lot. Usually along with Modest Mouse and The Tragically Hip.....
I wrote a story for my college Creative Writing class wherein the main character, age 15, goes into her dad's study to ask him something and finds him in there listening to Jethro Tull as usual. My professor wrote in the margin, "Even for a hip dad this is pretty darn hip. Maybe the Beatles would be a better choice?" I had to tell him, gently, that I got all my Tull albums from my dad and my friends had never heard them or heard of them before. His poor, poor, sad puppydog face when I left his office. Oh dear.

I always think of Margaret Cho's quavery old lady voice bit, "Ohhh, play 'Hungry Like a Wolf' again." I think the next pop-rock half-generation down (mine) is lucky, because we had the eternal repetitions of the Cranberries. So when we forget our grandchildren's names, it'll still be easy to mumble along, "In your heeeead, in your heeeeead, in your heeeeead" or "Twenty-one, twenty-one, twenty-one, twenty-one...." It's pre-senilized for us. How sweet.

I've heard Boomers go on and on about how sad it will be when the horrors and profanities of Marilyn Manson are standard your-parents-like-it music, and I always say things like, "Not like the innocent old days, when children could safely rock out to 'Brown Sugar.'"
I always say things like, "Not like the innocent old days, when children could safely rock out to 'Brown Sugar.'"

"Under My Thumb." Wow, I don't believe they still play that on the radio. It's... embarrassing. And can I get them to play "Titties and Beer" on the request hour?

Can I?

Alas, Frank. I suspect he'd be pleased he's still too much for prime time. *g*

Marilyn Manson still has nothing on Alice, though. And I *did* hear "Cold Ethyl" on the radio the other day. *g*
With me it always depends on my state:
If I'm all hyped up with energy I want hard music, strong beat. If I listen to a lot it's like my nerves get calloused and it takes something harsher to get the same effect, but If I'm feeling fragile or sleepy anything can be too much and I like classical, jazz or New Age.

While I'm working at the computer doing mindless data entry I like music strong on lyric: (I'm listening to a lot of Leonard Cohen at this current assignment.)
For quiet mornings I like folk/ethnic music or mild pop music.
Heh. janni has started listening to the album rock station on the car radio. This from the Manilow and Air Supply fan in high school.