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more weight

I could talk about extraordinary rendition, human rights, Amnesty International and why the United States is on their list--or I could just do what everybody else does, and link to Teresa Nielsen Hayden's blog on the topic, and then I could talk about torture.

Because the fact of the matter is, as Teresa points out, that torture doesn't work. The axiom is "everybody breaks," and while it's not precisely true--see the subject header and google around the Salem witch trials for an example--it's true enough that the exceptions are statistically insignificant.

The problem arises because when you break, you don't tell them the truth. You tell them what they want to hear to make the pain go away, or to get a drink of water, or just to be allowed to sleep. And--here's the tricky part--in the process, you can in fact convince yourself that what you told them was the truth. Because you don't brainwash somebody else. That's not how it works.

You convince them to brainwash themselves.

And you don't need to go to a prison camp or a Virginia jail to see it in action. You can volunteer at your local domestic violence shelter, or you can talk to an adult survivor of child abuse.

It doesn't matter how strong you think you are. You will tell them what they want to hear, in the end.

So ask yourself--is this the government you want to live under? Are these the people you want to trust with your safety and your children's safety? Are you willing to gamble that they will not come for you?

I'm an adult survivor of child abuse, and I speak from experience when I say that you will tell them what they want to hear, whether you are innocent or guilty. It worked on me, and it will work on you too.

"More weight."

Comments

-sigh-

Aw, heck. I hadn't known that about you, and I wish for both our sakes that we didn't have that in common. You're right about "telling them whatever they want to hear", but you knew that.
It's not something I generally feel the need to discuss, but I refuse to keep it a secret and play to the idea that there is something to be ashamed of in having been mistreated by somebody else.

No fear, no shame, no silence.

Which is different from wearing your damage like a flag, but hey, it seemed pertinent, for once. *g*
You would think that this would not even be an argument, you know? You look at all the mistakes we've had in our past in regards to torture (Salem Witch Trials included), and add that to common sense, and it's amazing that this is even an issue.
I am becoming more and more certain that the people driving this bus are not moral animals--or even particularly sane ones. I think the mildest problem at work here is an obsessional need for control, and I think it's a very ugly thing.

Common sense has nothing to do with it.
I agree. The way the system is set up, no one of good character, huge heart, and unshakeable integrity will ever be in a position to run for President.
Jimmy Carter.

But that was a freak accident, and they tripped him down the stairs just as fast as ever they could.
And now they mock him for those traits, which oddly enough I always thought were GOOD things.
A Nobel Peace Prize takes a hell of a lot of the sting out of a little mockery. *g*
Ah, yes, this is what I am so very afraid of too. I watch Bush speak, and I wonder how anyone can believe the man is sincere. (Except, of course, when he gets riled up because he's afraid someone has maligned his dignity ... that was sincere piss-offedness for sure.*g*)
*g*

I'm all for ruthlessness in leadership, actually. But I prefer it to be sane and logical ruthlessness--surgery as opposed to laying about one's self with a flamethrower, screaming.
Playing on my headphones as I read this:

I make you scared, if that's what I do
If you're prepared, if I have to
If I make you scared and you pay me to
If that's the deal
now here's what I can do for you

Now there's a focus group
that can prove
this is all nothing
but cold calculation...