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Spy Assistance?

Anybody--but especially cheshyre and rosamund--got a reliable sorce for what happened to Robert Poley after he took that Yeoman's position at the Tower? I got nothing here.

I love English record-keeping in the 16th and 17th centuries. Can't find out how Robin the Moneylender died, but I can tell you who most likely manufactured the paper Ben Jonson wrote on.

Viva history and her gap-toothed grin.


Viva history and her gap-toothed grin.

Lovely, lovely phrase.
Haynes has a bunch to say on Poley. I can copy it and fax it to you, if you'd like.

There's a new bio on Walsingham due this August. I've got it on order from Amazon.
I don't have a fax machine, alas. I've got a ton of information on him (I had to have it for Stratford Man, after all); I just don't know what happens to him after the Tower. Or if he falls out of history entire.
I've skimmed my library and the yeoman position is the last mention of him I can find.
Assuming we're talking the same thing*, Nicholl's Reckoning (1st edition) places his recommendation to the post of yeoman-waiter at the Tower to 1601, and that's the last he found of him in the official record.

But I assume you've seen that.

I see a PPV manuscript "ROBERT POLEY'S MOVEMENTS AS A MESSENGER OF THE COURT, 1588 TO 1601" @ http://res.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/reprint/os-IX/33/13, but since that ends in 1601 (and was published in the 1930s), that's probably the same as Nicholl's has.

I'll keep looking; there are a few new Marlowe biographies coming out later this year that look like they're going to focus on the espionage aspects of Marlowe's career. You interested in author contact info to see if they've got anything?

*Took me a moment's checking, since Poley was also known for his dalliance with a jailer's wife who was named Yeoman.
Bugging busy writers for a mere historical trifle is probably a bit too much like work.


I'm going to stick with 1601, then, since that's what I have.

Which reminds me, did you *want* the most recent draft of SM? 'Cause if you have time to read it, I'll send it. I have some changes I want to make in the final draft, but they're cosmetic and/or historical tidbits.
I was actually meaning to ask about that. A friend recently offered services of her printer for the task, which will make the reading much more manageable.

So, yes, I would like the most recent draft.
By when will you want responses?
I'm going to try to sell it early next year, probably. So, you know, when you hear me start whinging about the Copious Notes Jenn has given me would be a good time to start thinking about handing over the comments. *g*

Check email.
Poking about in scholar.google.com and print.google.com, most of what I see references that manuscript above for Poley's later life.

From Google Print, I checked the recent Christopher Marlowe and Richard Baines : journeys through the Elizabethan underground (by Roy Kendall) and just found references to the 1930s manuscript above.

This coming December, Park Honan is coming out with a book Christopher Marlowe : Poet & Spy; I don't know if it will have anything, but might be worth trying to contact the author.

And I think that's it for tonite.
They have pay-per-view manuscripts?

Damn, those Elizabethans were advanced.
Ask me about Elizabethan bladder surgery.
Uh, thanks, no. I've read more about being cut for the stone than I care to.
Having had a stone, I can see putting up with being cut, if it had a chance of working.

It couldn't hurt more.

Owie. And at least they got you good and drunk first.

Thanks for the tip, Terry!
Leonardo Fioravanti was treating wounds with surgery in the 1550s, successfully. It seems he did the first successful (recorded) splenectomy about that time in Venice. (106, "Mountebanks and medicasters: a history of Italian charlatans from the middle ages to the present" by Piero Gambaccini(2004))

He didn't believe in cauterizing, or shoving cloth into a wound. Just a gentle bath of his secret cure-all serum, then seawater or urine and sew that thing closed.

Bear, I'm at yeomanforbes@yahoo.com
PS, according to Nicholl, Poley would've been "nearing 50" at the time of this 1601 appointment (though how he determines that, I don't know), so that's not necessarily a cushy retirement position at that age.
Give a holler to skeetermonkey as that's his personal baliwick of expertise in the period.

Sort of. My specialty is in Yeomen of the Guard, not Tower Warders. (Different animals by far.) And most of that knowledge is gleaned from Hennell's History of the King's Bodyguard, the Elizabethan chapter appearing at here. That's the extent of it.
*g* Hey, wanna read a book?
Sure! I just finished something last night, so I'm betwixt books at the moment.