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she says she killed a man down in Atlanta

Progress notes for 3 August 2005:


New Words: 218
Total Words: 1626
Pages: 8

slow going today, as I keep having to stop to do things like find photographs of dirigible passenger accommodations online.

This could be the Murders in the Rue Morgue on a dirigible, but I think I'll pass on the ape. And Sam Clemens.

[10:52] matociquala: what would you call a man's jewelry case?
[10:52] matociquala: Where you might keep things such as rings, stick pins, tie tacks, cufflinks, etc, while traveling?
[10:52] sillyricepaper: why not just a jewelry case?
[10:52] matociquala: *calls it a jewelry case and moves on*
[10:52] matociquala: *g*
[10:53] sillyricepaper: heh
[10:53] matociquala: I wondered if there was a Boy Term.
[10:53] sillyricepaper: hold on, lemme ask my metrosexual coworker
[10:53] matociquala: Yay!
[10:53] matociquala: it's 1899, I guess he can have a jewelry case.
[10:54] sillyricepaper: he denies there is such a term
[10:54] sillyricepaper: but then, he also denies that he carries a manpurse
[10:54] matociquala: (-3 words)
[10:54] matociquala: so it's a girlpurse?
[10:54] sillyricepaper: and he totally does, messenger bag my ass
[10:54] kendwoods: valet case
[10:55] sillyricepaper: perhaps a haberdasher would know?
[10:55] sillyricepaper: you should call a store
[10:55] kendwoods: valet case
[10:55] kendwoods: dammit
[10:55] sillyricepaper: hee
[10:55] kendwoods: listen to the man
[10:55] kendwoods: :-p
[10:55] sillyricepaper: *does not see Ken*
[10:55] matociquala: *loves Ken*
[10:55] tanaise: I think they use jewelry case in regencies
[10:55] matociquala: You know, I thought of that, and then convinced myself I was making it up.
[10:56] tanaise: but they sure as heck don't call it a valet case, I know that much
[10:56] kendwoods: http://www.gatelys.com/jump.jsp?itemID=4979&itemType=PRODUCT&path=8%2C307&iProductID=4979
[10:56] kendwoods: call it either one
[10:57] matociquala: Sebastien claims jewelry case is girly.
[10:57] matociquala: I'm like, your name is Sebastien.
[10:57] kendwoods: so he's overcompensating for the name

Reason for stopping: Work, dammit. Not enough hours in the day.
Mammalian Assistance: none
Stimulants: earl grey
Exercise: none
Mail:  ETA!: whups, I forgot. Eidolon emailed today to let me know they're (re)printing "Gone to Flowers," the Jenny novelette that started it all. As a courtesy, I've pulled down the online copy.
Today's words Word don't know:  n/a
Words I'm surprised Word do know: n/a
Tyop du jour: n/a
Darling du jour: n/a
Books in progress, but not at all quickly: China Miéville, Iron Council; Richard Overy, Russia's War: A History of the Soviet War Effort, 1941-1945; Jack Kerouac, On the Road; Kathryn Allen, The Middlemost Child
Interesting research tidbits of the day:

I love this sentence for everything it reveals about military and civilian culture: "(2) Officers, male or female, leave cards for ladies and gentlemen in the household receiving the call; whereas ladies never leave cards (including joint cards) except for a household that includes one or more ladies."

Officers may be gentlemen, but they are not ladies. And if you happen to be an officer and a woman, you follow the rules for officers, not the rules for girls.

Other writing-related work:  Critted 50 pages of Kat's book last night. And read a LOT about dirigibles.


I would have called it a valet case too. My dad called his that.
Dock bag? (Doc bag?) I've only heard the term, never seen it. It may be a Britishism, and it may be more of a toiletries case anyhow.

I like the explicit adjudication on officer-rules and girl-rules. "Officers" doesn't apply to my workplace, but there's a similar rule-conflict that's a holdover from the days when this job was always filled by men. (Which wasn't terribly long ago, either. I'm only 34, and I've been told to my face that I couldn't work this or that job because "only men" could.)
I suspect you're thinking of the "Dep bag" (short for Deployment Bag), it's a militaryism which is still used in the current-day US Army. It's generally leathor or vinyl and it is meant for toiletries.
Ah, found it! "Dob kit". Although why "dob", and if it's related or unrelated to your "dep bag", I have no idea.

But I picked it up from an Englishman, so it would surprise me if his term "dob kit" comes direct from the U.S. military. I shall have to ask him what he knows about its history.
I wonder if both terms developed from a common ancestor????
I heard it as Dop kit or Dopp kit, and considered it a travelling case for toiletries (based upon my dad's usage when I was growing up)
Ah, finally! You get the prize!

There seems to be consensus that it's an abbreviation of Charles Doppelt's name, the man who invented and marketed the case. And yes, it's specifically a shaving and toiletries kit. It's "dopp" with two p's, because that's the way the company abbreviated it during marketing.



From the history, it may or may not be tangled up with "dep bag" suggested above -- apparently Dopp Kits were issued to GIs during WWII, and that's how they became popular.
Very cool. I learned something from the comments. However, I shove anything of that sort into my shaving kit. Which could never be mistaken for a manpurse. Egad, what a term.
*g* It's only a manpurse if you carry it around with you....

While poking about looking for "what on earth did they call it?", I came across a term that I really liked. A "stud box" :-)
Ooh, I want one. Do I get to pick the studs? ;-D
Officers, male or female, leave cards for ladies and gentlemen in the household receiving the call; whereas ladies never leave cards (including joint cards) except for a household that includes one or more ladies.

I've read that 4 times and I'm still not sure I understand it. Identity as officer trumps gender identity; both officers and gentlemen can call on both gentlemen or ladies; ladies can call on only other ladies. I think. Can a lady call on a female officer?

I need make a Venn diagram, I think.

the mind boggles, doesn't it?
I'm suddenly flashing on that unusable Academy arcade machine from the early part of Heinlein's _Space Cadet_...
Not at all complicated :). You are green first. Everything else later.
No, a lady may not call upon a female officer. While General Sally is in General mode, she counts as male for most social interactions, and ladies may not call upon gentlemen - that would be fast, at best.

However, when General Sally is off-duty or on leave, or generally being in private life, she may be called upon by ladies. She may not, however, receive gentlemen unchaperoned.

(Can you tell I love silly outmoded etiquette? :-) )
So an officer on duty is always an officer and a gentleman, regardless of plumbing, but when off duty, they revert to (just) a gentleman or a lady as per their body's blueprints.

Okay, that I think I can diagram.

If you want bizarre military wife etiquette, try tracking down Mrs. Lieutenant by Mary Preston Gross (1968, I think). That's where I first learned about who can leave calling cards for whom.

I also learned that coffee outranks tea, and tea outranks punch, so that when one is organizing a function for the Officers' Wives Club and must decide whom to ask to pour, the woman with the highest ranking husband is shown the honor of being asked to pour the coffee, the woman with the second-highest ranking husband is asked to pour the tea, and the third woman down is asked to pour the punch. BUT! Remember that pouring tea is exhausting work, so it's important that the fourth-, fifth-, and sixth-highest ranking wives should be on alert and ready to fill in, should their superiors weary of beverage duty.

By the time my mother joined the Officers' Wives Club, feminism was making inroads even there, and it was possible to belong to the organization without messing around with any of that silliness. I asked a navy brat friend if her mother had had to deal with this sort of thing, and she said, "Only when the husbands were home. Once the men were at sea, it was a six-month margarita free-for-all."

Who knew?