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March 2017



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katallen : Writers is Nutz

jhetley on Structural Caulk

wen_spencer on character names

pecunium offers a Jeremaiad

arcaedia links to a Katrina survivor benefit auction


Link correction: Structural Caulk...?
my control key is dying. *g*
My spacebar was dying a month ago. It made me nuts. Especially since I don't look at the screen when I type.
My spacebar is also dying. I'm using a prosthetic keyboard now.

Does Wen Spencer normally go berserk over polite comments like oursin's mention of multiple cultures in medieval times, or is that another case of usually level-headed people flipping out due to current events?
I'm not actually familiar with the context of Wen's comments, but I'm pretty much in sympathy with the substance of them--that is to say, making the character name fit the milieu, and the other character names.

Although, without knowing the backstory, I can't know if they're overstated for this particular case. Is there some context I should be aware of?
I don't know the context either, but it looked to me like oursin suggested that there was more historical variation in names in some milieu than might be expected, and got a rant filled with capital letters in response, as if she'd posted a flame instead of her perfectly reasonable and polite comment. It just seemed odd.
Thank you - I thought I was making a reasonable comment about cultural variations within societies often conceived of as relatively small and restricted, but possibly it was the wrong moment or the final straw, etc. (Was tempted to cite Kipling's rather lovely stories about multi-cultural relations in Norman England from Puck of Pook's Hill, but refrained.)
Well, in Norman England, you'd have what, five or six cultures contributing to the naming structure?
My point - and in some areas some groups, though probably not all ('there was a Norman, a Saxon, a Dane, a Welshman....': I think that might get a bit improbable) would be, however uneasily, co-existing, at least a generation or two down the line.
"A Norman, a Saxon, and a Dane walk into a bar in Wales..."

...you know, that has potential. *g*
And then Irish pirates raid!
Erm, quite so. In the medieval Iberian Peninsula, you would run across Basque, Portuguese-Galician, Castilian, Catalan, Leonese-Asturian, French, Hebrew, Berber and Arabic names and placenames quite easily.

Not to talk about Roman and pre-Roman times. Mono-cultures, mon cul.
As a Spaniard, I've always found it interesting that fantasy and sf writers will base their fictional worlds on practically all actual cultures -- except for Hispanic ones (a recent exception seems to be Bujold's Chalion novels).

The history of the Spanish-speaking countries doesn't seem to fit very well in certain worldviews, no.
Yeah, quite, this was one of several other places I could have cited that had extremely complex multicultural populations - I also recalled the situation in Miklos Banffy's 'Transylvanian trilogy', about early C20th Hungary, and the mix of different groups even in the remote rural area where main protag's ancestral lands lie. Or Afghanistan... Or India... So true that a massively homogenised version of Northern Europe has become a standard fantasy trope (cheers for Diana Wynne-Jones' Tough Guide to Fantasyland for pointing out many more unexamined assumptions).
There are about 200 characters in The Stratford Man, and I'd say 196 of them are named Anne, Ned, Will, Tom, Mary, James, Robert, Richard, Walter, Elizabeth, or John.

Thank god for Kit, Frances, Francis, and Ben, or I would have been really confused.

The Wills and Toms alone were enough to give me a splenic infection.

If you want the context of Wen's comments, it's this: http://fmwriters.com/community/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=17&topic_id=58788&mode=full

I think that link should work.
if it's not clear, in my comment above, I was referring to the original post I linked, and not the comments, Wen's or Oursin's or otherwise, which I hadn't read.
Until, obviously, just now.
I wouldn't say normally, but it's not the first time.
I feel, with that piece of writing, that my awakening enough to form it (from strange dreams) was something like having a someone from Porlock knock on the door.

It wants finishing, but I am no prophet, just an angry man; one among many.

I thought it was pretty powerful, in its fragmentary form or not.
Because of some of the other links, I thought the Structural Caulk was going to be some metaphor about fixing a plot that's falling apart.
So did I. :-P