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March 2017



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Oh, dear. I think Matthew might be a Mary Sue.

truepenny, are there still any slots in Mary Sue Reform School open? Just don't let him sit next to Felix....


Wow. Been a long time since I saw so many deleted comments in one pace.

I think, perhaps, pretty much every protagonist - at least in the kinds of fiction I read - starts from a tiny, nebulous, Mary-Sue impulse. The trick is then to make sure that as the story develops and shifts from being a daydream to a piece of craftwork, the character does the same. It also helps if more than one character in the story is carrying the author's eyes.
ooo, you're clever.

Felix would eat Matthew alive.

And, you know, I'm not sure Matthew is a Mary Sue. I think he might just be a nice guy to whom really shitty things happen.
I'm not sure how Felix would handle Matthew laughing his ass off at him when Felix got snippy.

Remember. Matthew teaches freshmen. *g*

I think he might just be a nice guy to whom really shitty things happen.

He does have long blond hair....
Can it qualify as Mary Sue if you wouldn't want that character's life, or any aspect of it? Is it Mary Sue if you give the character qualities you don't possess yourself but wish you did, even if those qualities get your character into no end of trouble? Is it Mary Sue if the endings aren't happy?
Those are excellent questions.

Mostly, I'm saying Matthew may be a Mary Sue because I can hear my own voice through him sometimes, and his interests and mine overlap a lot.

He's the character of mine I have the most in common with, I guess.
I just ask because I was always laboring under the impression that a Mary Sue was a positive vision of what the writer wished they were, or the type of person they wished existed. A classic hero, as opposed to an antihero.

I mean, Jani is my anti, and I wish I was more like her at times even though I know someone would have punched me in the mouth by now if I followed through on my desire. I wouldn't want her life, though, or want to deal with the choices she's had to make or the losses she's had to cope with.

Maybe my definition of Mary Sue is too narrow. But I've always seen it defined in such a derogatory manner that I felt it something to avoid at all costs.
Well, if it were the death sentence people say it is, Heinlein would have been out of a job. *g*

I think omnicompetent characters (not that I think Jani is--she's quite creatively broken!) are fun to read. But they sometimes leave us feeling a little guilty, because we know they're wish fulfillment.

And we have the sneaking suspicion that it's like cake for dinner. That really can't have been good for us, no matter how much fun it is, can it?
Not *that* long.

And actually, one of Felix's few redeeming features is that he doesn't get bent out of shape about being laughed at. Same way he doesn't mind getting called on being a manipulative bitch. He just tries something else.
Someday we'll write a silly crossover story. *g*
*Very* silly.
Oh oh oh... ::grins:: Do not tease the fangirl.
Many of my characters begin their lives as Mary Sues. My most totally Mary Sue-like character--in the sense that she was a lot like me at the beginning of the story and she got to sleep with the sexy guy at the end of the story (which is totally not like me, of course) earned me feedback from someone who said--I loved this character; she was so completely not a Mary Sue character.

Yeah...that's why I named her 'Sue.'

On the other hand, I've recently realized that the less I care about my characters, the better I write them (although eventually I think there's a law of diminishing returns...)