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Oh, the foolhardiness of involving one's self in fandom politics....

Okay, I'm pretty much a long-time fanfiction apologist/defender.

But am I marking myself as a complete square if I have to ask: what is Harry Potter/CSI mpreg doing on my Tiptree long list?


Juliet gave Snape an anxious look, and then stood aside. "Mr. Snape. This is Nicholas Stokes."

Whatever he'd been expecting, this certainly wasn't it.

The boy -- man, most certainly, this was no boy -- was undeniably masculine. Strong jaw, clean of form, quite handsome. Although Snape could see almost immediately the minuscule flicker of enchantment about him; a glamour, yes, and a deft one. No Muggle, seeing him, would ever suspect the truth.

He met Stokes's eyes and wanted to recoil. Lovely dark eyes, but filled with rage, a cold fire barely held in check as the man stalked into the room.

"You have no RIGHT," he snapped in a voice icy enough to give Snape himself a run for his money. "I won't do it. I will NOT do it."

Snape made himself nod. "In that case we can force you to comply," he returned steadily. "The law requires it."

"FUCK your law!"

"It's yours as well, or have you forgotten that? Living here, so far from the source?"

Stokes paced away from him, glaring at Juliet until she shut the door behind her. With his back turned he hissed, "I don't recognize your law. I don't give a damn about it, or you!"

"Your parents did. Enough that they did what was required."

"I don't care." The man turned his pretty, snapping eyes back in Snape's direction. "I won't do it," he repeated furiously. "You can't make me."


...Not-very-well-written Harry Potter/CSI mpreg, if I may venture a critical comment. Although I guess it captures something of Rowling's style.

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Comments

Can it really be defined as MPREG is the person getting pregnant isn't a man/male?

Macho guy Nick has always been a front in this story, since she/he's really a hermaphrodite and so always had to deal with (or ignore) those female parts. Nick doesn't have to shave, doesn't have an Adam's apple, hasn't really been getting much sex as a guy (is an intact virgin as a girl), and very little of the story makes me see this person as a hermaphrodite let alone a macho male. This is a girl who gets told she has to stop wearing boys' clothing and start a family... and does so. The macho image is shown to be a fraud -- and so a macho guy's reaction to being pregnant is never explored.

Snapes reactions might have been interesting... only, because it's crossover and they're total strangers to each other, he's not only never known Nick as a macho guy, but his ideas about what macho *is* clearly aren't the same as a Muggle's. I do know Snape doesn't grant Nick any masculine equality -- he has no qualms about forcibly overcoming Nick's reluctance to have a child -- and I believe (I'm not going back to check right now) the fic itself points out that Snape would have treated a *real* man -- even a pregnant man -- differently. I'm not sure what's weird about Snape's subsequent behaviour given that set-up.

Since the fic is incomplete there's no way of telling whether there would be a reversal of some kind, but it didn't feel gender expanding so much as gender conformist (I kept thinking I was reading a 70s Mill's and Boon). However much Nick hides or denies it, the sex that gets pregnant is there to be made pregnant, to bear children, and (once a feminine side is exposed) will be lusting after sex with their rapist, crying every five minutes because of their hormones, and need a real man to get them safely through pregnancy.



the sex that gets pregnant is there to be made pregnant, to bear children, and (once a feminine side is exposed) will be lusting after sex with their rapist, crying every five minutes because of their hormones, and need a real man to get them safely through pregnancy.

Yeah. And happily looking forward to the baby they were forced to conceive and bear.

I think -- there are ways to wallow in illicit fantasy without making the narrative defend the essential rightness of the false construct, if that makes any sense. I am all for the wallowing, but not so much for the embedded defense. It is tricky to do the one without the other, but vastly preferable.I don't require psychological realism, but the implicit internal justification & endorsement sours the whole thing.
Yeah, I don't see how this is problematizing any of the things katallen mentions above. Or even aware that it's brushing up against them. It reads like a fetish fantasy to me.

Maybe it was a bad year for genderfuck? I mean, Sarah's book is a great book, for example, but I'm not sure that a flamboyant queen of a protagonist getting teh gay all over anybody who reads it (when he's not raving, anyway) counts as exploring or expanding our ideas of gender roles....
I started wandering into the idea that 'Melusine' at least expands the concept of gender by *not* making a fuss about teh gay.

Felix may be a raging queen but he's still recognisably male and not transformed into one of the stereotypical feminine character-types by virtue of his sexual orientation, which I could take as showing/exploring the separation of gender from sexuality/sexual orientation. (And yes, that would be true of quite a lot of GLB fiction).

For me the fanfic confuses any separation of gender and sexuality by immediately making an intersexed character into a female stereotype when they're used sexually as a female.

[and boy does this get into the territory of EO and my multi-gender lizards]

I don't read a lot of slash fic, but enough to have met dozens of stories where two masculine characters, subsequent to sex or falling in love, gradually morph into a het couple -- with the smaller/prettier/smarter of the two men taking up the feminine role (homemaking, sexual jealousy, physical and emotional dependance etc). Which maybe illustrates a desire to ease the unconventional back into there being two genders with well-defined roles -- and I'm tempted to believe that is a cultural reaction rather than biological.
The transformation of distinctive characters into a more conventional romance isn't limited to slash, though; it happens frequently with heterosexual romance in fanfic where the participants don't adhere to conventional gender norms, too. thassalia just posted a very thoughtful take on this.
Thank you for the link -- I didn't include any ref to het fic restereotyping characters because the only way I can ever keep a comment like the above within reasonable wordage is repeated trimming and a desperate focus on the dead centre of what I'm trying to say... otherwise I tell everybody about the other six directions I ran off in while I was thinking about gender-bending (and probably only one involved a gratuitous smutty pun ::grins:: )
Wesley Stace's Misfortune is a great genderfuck book--the protagonist is a bio-male, who for a variety of reasons, is brought up as a girl by her parents in 19th century England. It's an amazing book and I can't recommend it highly enough. And I'm not saying that just because I know Wes. It really *is* a good book.
Send it to the Tiptree committee!
It made the short list for 2005. :)

I'm going to have to tell Wes that he's sharing company with badly written HP/CSI crossover non-con mpreg fic, though. It'll crack him up.
Wesley Stace's Misfortune is a great genderfuck book--the protagonist is a bio-male, who for a variety of reasons, is brought up as a girl by her parents in 19th century England. It's an amazing book and I can't recommend it highly enough. And I'm not saying that just because I know Wes. It really *is* a good book.