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March 2017



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I hold there is no sin but ignorance.


Via razorsmile, another review of Carnival calling it slash. *Insert eyeroll here.* 

Heh. If they want slash, fine, I'll give them slash.

Just you wait. Watch this space.

And yanno, the review itself is pretty positive, in general, thought rather spoilery. You'll need a rot13 reader to decode it. I gotta say, though, did this guy never know the ingenuity that is a twelve-year old cracker when he was in junior high?*

I used to know this one phreak who could whistle telephone access codes....

Well, as long as I'm this cranky, I'm going to go work on these contracts and galleys so I don't have to do it in the morning. I'd eat something, and try to get my blood sugar up, but I'm too bitchy to want food.

*Why is it that nobody has nailed me on any of the completely stupid plot developments in Scardown, I wonder?**

**In fact, nobody ever picks up on the various plot developments in my books that *I* consider stupid. Probably because I know they're stupid, and go out of my way either to gloss over them or kick leaves over them or shore them up. The stuff I consider perfectly evident, like the dangers inherent in long-range microwave power transmission, or the existence of underground rivers in Hartford, that I hear it for.***

***Bitch bitch bitch, ah shaddap Bear, nobody cares, and at least he liked the book. I sometimes think I should just give up writing science fiction and concentrate on the fantasy, because there's a certain type of SF reader whose main joy is making up reasons why a book's logical system doesn't work.****

****But I like science fiction.*****

*****I think I'll give up reading reviews, instead.******

******I'm all out of Criminal Minds. Do you suppose Torchwood has downloaded yet?*******

*******Oh, for fuck's sake, Bear, shut up and do your paperwork. And when you are done doing your paperwork, you can read that book you are meant to be blurbing, can't you? Yes.********

********Oy, I hope I don't get asked to blurb anything again for a while. I can't keep up.*********

*********Yes, I do feel better now.



Ya might wanna pick up some LiveJournal Tinactin, cuz that looks like a pretty bad case of Athlete's Footnotes ya got there.
It was meant to be funny.
Long range microwave transmission dangers? Is that the ease of weaponization or is it something else?
What happens if you miss the receiving station?
No, "slash" is Razorface eating a sandwich.

I have to say, I didn't notice any gigantic plot holes in Scardown. Which is not to say that I don't believe you, just that I was engaged enough not to care. I'll probably notice them on my 3rd or 4th rereading.

(The footnotes are the kind of thing I've done myself. Reassuring, not to be alone in the world.)
*g* The thing with the way Alan wakes up? Completely fucking bogus. Something like that might be believable if it had taken months--but I just didn't have the narrative space in the book to do it in a sensible manner.

Also, the blood-transmitted nanotech is fucking stupid.
Bear, you are ever so much nicer to people who claim to like your books but then proceed to say dumb things about then than I am. I mean, than I am to people who claim to like my books, but then...oh, never mind.
*g* Oh, I figure he's entitled to look for plot holes.

But yanno, I'm really irritated by the assumption of abnormality that seems to me revealed by calling a book that happens to have a same-sex relationship "slash." :-P

Maybe I'm just oversensitive.

...No, you know, I'm not oversensitive.
Heh. If they want slash, fine, I'll give them slash.

*scratches head*

That sounds like a threat, but I'm not seeing what the bad side is supposed to be... *g*

And, for the record, "like Man From U.N.C.L.E. slash in space" is word-for-word what I said to my roommate when I handed Carnival to her, just after "You'll love it," but the emphasis was on the "Man From U.N.C.L.E." part more than on the slash part. I mean, bantering kinda-sorta closeted secret agents. (In space!)

That said, I do think Carnival has a slashy sensibility-- it's not just that the major romantic relationship in the book is between two men, but that that relationship is absolutely integral to the plot and the themes of the novel, and that Vincent and Angelo's history and baggage make even very small gestures carry a lot of weight. They're tense and fraught to a degree that's more often achieved by serial fiction than by one-shot novels. Add that to Teh Gay, and you get slashy. (IMHO, of course.)
See, and I find that idea... othering. That relationship certainly isn't any more fraught than several of the het relationships I've written.

So why does having a same-sex relationship make it quantifiably a different genre of book than if Vincent had been a girl? (I mean, other than the discussion of gender roles and bigotry I'm trying for?)

What you say here:that relationship is absolutely integral to the plot and the themes of the novel, and that Vincent and Angelo's history and baggage make even very small gestures carry a lot of weight.

Thank you very much for saying it. But I would call that "successful integration of the romance subplots into the narrative."

I dunno. Maybe it's my perspective of the connotation of the word as somebody who doesn't really seem to have the slash kink, but to me it carries the implication of something projected onto an existing text.

As for the hah hah I'll give you slash.... well, the Elizabethan books? They're slashy, in my opinion. The entire plot is driven by the gay porn.

No way around it. La. *g*
Have you seen this?..


A "Shadows over Baker St Video" game?

I think you may also be falling prey to the fact that slash is 'hot' right now (given all the academic and news articlss that have been popping up about it in the past year or so) and also the fact that some people have come to use the term 'slash' where once they would more likely have used 'gay.' Which is still singling out one type of relationship over another, but it may be marginally less baggage-laden without fanfic roots.
*g* I feel like I'm being called a lady authoress, is what it is. I just figured it out while talking to ellen_frememdon

I am enamored of the phrase "slash is 'hot.'"

I hope you don't mean the My Pretty Illya kind. ;-)
Do you suppose Torchwood has downloaded yet?

Yes, it has, and Owen the man-whore scores again, much to the befuddlement of anyone with the IQ of trout.
So what made you think it was a good idea to spoiler somebody who had just declared herself crabby?

Also, ew. And why did you have to pick *That* spoiler?
On what people find believable: In a writing group, a couple of people found this unbelievable: political radicals who oppose capitalism are blacklisted from most jobs, so they go into business. (Which is something from my family background.) One of them was a libertarian working in a government job.

Tangent: I don't recall any reviews of Arthur C. Clarke's Empire Earth noticing that both heterosexuals and homosexuals are considered perverts.

And somebody needs to learn about Edward R. Murrow.

Not just radicals....
I'm lost in a maze of twisty little footnotes, all different!

I can't comment on the matter at hand 'cause I haven't gotten to the book yet! It's Crazy Quarter at work. So. Take a deep breath. Have a Lovely Beverage (TM Alton; usually alcoholic). Revel, or recoil in horror (either or both, severally or together), at the fact that your Adoring Hordes are now waiting for you to write slash here, as threatenedpromised.
*g* I will absolutely cop to the Elizabethan books being slash. Pre-order now! Oh, wait, you can't yet. But eventually....
*Why is it that nobody has nailed me on any of the completely stupid plot developments in Scardown, I wonder?**

Hee. I'm just reading Scardown. Nothing's happened yet that I can't go along with - but then, I am a most obliging reader, when I just want to enjoy a book. Hang that disbelief high, boys, and dangle critical faculties from its feet...
Hee. The more I learn about writing, the more I am willing to let an author get away with, plot wise. On the other hand, the more often I see it all being laid out, no matter how cleverly done it is. So if there's even the suggestion of strings not being pulled, it has my vote.
I think you may be right. *g* Then they could just tell me that there were too many gay characters in it.

(Actually, I waged a minot PR campaign *not* to have the planet of the Amazon Wimmin be full of lesbians.)
...you know, I didn't read Trip's review because I was planning on reading the book, and figured if he posted it in rot13 it was because he'd included spoilers. I'm practically positive he didn't do that to be Real Clever or anything, but because his journal doesn't have a tidy lj cut tag to put spoilery material behind, and so he puts spoilers into an easily decodable text so that people who want to read them can, but those who are browsing along don't accidentally find themselves reading spoilers when they might not want to be.
*g* The twelve-year-old cracker appears early on in the text.

Small nitpick

I don't know if the page you link to got edited out from under you or what; but now the only thing it says about Carnival is: "Reading: Carnival (Elizabeth Bear). It was pretty good."

Re: Small nitpick

Yup. He took the post down. Which was not my intention, but hey.